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Glad I found the right place to ask :) Regards, *Jeffrey Wang* jeffwang16-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 4:34 PM christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org < christian.kolen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > No worries. I should have mentioned where you could get the info than jus= t > saying it=E2=80=99s there > > It is mentioned in the manual in a subtle way. After you read this thread > then you=E2=80=99d understand the wordings in the manual means it is not = bijective. > (I forgot what wording it uses, but the problem is that the info is there > but sometimes not immediately recognizable. May be it didn=E2=80=99t use = the word > lossy, but did mention it=E2=80=99s limitation.) > > It is also frequently mentioned in this pandoc-discuss. And in fact I was > in your shoes asking for this years ago and wrote a summary on this here. > Ie rather than searching the whole web, searching pandoc-discuss would be > more fruitful. > > But sometimes the search here aren=E2=80=99t great, ironically I think se= arching > in google with a phase of pandoc-discuss might help narrow it down better= . > > Also, I share your frustration that stuffs we ask/mention are almost > always out there but just that we can=E2=80=99t discover that. So rather = than > tempting others to correct you (that the info does exist), simply asking = it > might be better, and that=E2=80=99s what pandoc-discuss is for. Unlike Gi= tHub issue > where people should obey much stricter rule of not emitting noise > (frequently violated in pandoc=E2=80=99s issue tracker unfortunately and = people are > too kind to suppress them), pandoc-discuss is for any pandoc related > questions, repeated or not. > > On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote: > >> Great, thanks for the insight everybody, especially John's confirmation >> seals the deal. >> >> In response to "there's actually lots of info about this", I apologize >> that Google's search engine was not strong enough to find me this >> information. I also apologize that I did not invent Google and add seman= tic >> search to it. I promise I have tried hard to search for this information >> before bothering anybody, and I very much appreciate the explicit >> clarification. >> >> Regards, >> *Jeffrey Wang* >> jeffw...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> >> >> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:25 PM christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >> wrote: >> >>> There=E2=80=99s actually lots of info about this. Pandoc is not even id= empotent, >>> let alone bijective. >>> >>> So no, you cannot depend on this especially if you want to convert it >>> back and forth a lot of times. >>> >>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 3:23:12 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote: >>> >>>> I was not able to find any concrete information establishing the answe= r >>>> to this question. I ask this to see how much I can depend on using Pan= doc >>>> for an application that would convert back and forth between two forma= ts, >>>> one for storage/authoritative purposes and the other for rendering/dis= play >>>> purposes. 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Thank= you so much! Glad I found the right place to ask :)



On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 4:34 PM christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <christian.kolen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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No worries. I should have= mentioned where you could get the info than just saying it=E2=80=99s there=

It is mentioned in the manual in a subtle way. After yo= u read this thread then you=E2=80=99d understand the wordings in the manual= means it is not bijective. (I forgot what wording it uses, but the problem= is that the info is there but sometimes not immediately recognizable. May = be it didn=E2=80=99t use the word lossy, but did mention it=E2=80=99s limit= ation.)

It is also frequently mentioned in this pa= ndoc-discuss. And in fact I was in your shoes asking for this years ago and= wrote a summary on this here. Ie rather than searching the whole web, sear= ching pandoc-discuss would be more fruitful.

But s= ometimes the search here aren=E2=80=99t great, ironically I think searching= in google with a phase of pandoc-discuss might help narrow it down better.=

Also, I share your frustration that stuffs we ask= /mention are almost always out there but just that we can=E2=80=99t discove= r that. So rather than tempting others to correct you (that the info does e= xist), simply asking it might be better, and that=E2=80=99s what pandoc-dis= cuss is for. Unlike GitHub issue where people should obey much stricter rul= e of not emitting noise (frequently violated in pandoc=E2=80=99s issue trac= ker unfortunately and people are too kind to suppress them), pandoc-discuss= is for any pandoc related questions, repeated or not.

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On Tuesda= y, May 4, 2021 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote:
Great, thanks for the=C2=A0insight= everybody, especially John's confirmation seals the deal.

In response to "ther= e's actually lots of info about this", I apologize that=C2=A0Googl= e's search engine was not strong enough to find me this information. I = also apologize that=C2=A0I did not invent Google and add semantic search to= it. I promise I have tried hard to search for this information before both= ering anybody, and I very much appreciate the explicit clarification.

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On Tue, May 4, = 2021 at 3:25 PM christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There=E2=80= =99s actually lots of info about this. Pandoc is not even idempotent, let a= lone bijective.

So no, you cannot depend on this especia= lly if you want to convert it back and forth a lot of times.

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On Monday,= May 3, 2021 at 3:23:12 PM UTC-7 Jeffrey Wang wrote:
I was not able to find any concrete in= formation establishing the answer to this question. I ask this to see how m= uch I can depend on using Pandoc for an application that would convert back= and forth between two formats, one for storage/authoritative purposes and = the other for rendering/display purposes. Thanks!

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