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On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM wrote: > I don=E2=80=99t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I mig= ht be > interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your filters ? > > > > Best, > Denis > > > > *Von:* pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org = *Im > Auftrag von *Shane Liesegang > *Gesendet:* Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07 > *An:* pandoc-discuss > *Betreff:* Separating multiple citations in generated footnote > > > > My institution has a few specific citation style requirements that stray > from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly around specific > works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the requirements by making= a > new CSL. > > For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept the > citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whateve= r > changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAuthor= , > making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this work= s > well, but where it gets difficult is if a single Cite element contains > multiple citations. In that case, looking at the generated footnote, > there's no hard indicator of which portion came from which citation. I've > got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that'= s > a little bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference > data. > > Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation > keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, bu= t > I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote > doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already > combined). What would be truly ideal would be the ability to filter the > citation process itself, but I'm assuming since that's from a different > library that it is not exposed to Lua? > > Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice > would be appreciated. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/baf8fe27-c662-4825-981d-= b49fb7b38d71n%40googlegroups.com > > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/uIe_wOxcGUs/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/8ed092b504f248fa984c4284= 113f68ff%40unibe.ch > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be= happy to share a subset -- is there anything in particular you're inte= rested in, or just general interest in citation filtering?

On Mon, May = 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <denis.maie= r@unibe.ch> wrote:

I don=E2=80=99t have a particul= ar suggestion for what you need, but I might be interested in what you alre= ady do. could you perhaps share your filters=C2=A0?

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Best,
Denis

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Von: pan= doc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
An: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote<= u>

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My institution has a few specific citation style req= uirements that stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostl= y around specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the re= quirements by making a new CSL.

For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I intercept t= he citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs and make whatev= er changes I need to; this might entail changing the style to SuppressAutho= r, making some capitalization/punctuation changes, etc. In general this works well, but where it gets difficult is i= f a single Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking = at the generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion c= ame from which citation. I've got something working based on scanning for semicolons, but I worry that's a little = bit fragile and will probably break on certain sets of reference data.

Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to citation keys?= I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom metadata, but I can= only see the citations either before --citeproc (when the footnote doesn&#= 39;t exist yet) or after (when the multiple citations have already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the a= bility to filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since th= at's from a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?

Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any thoughts/advice w= ould be appreciated.

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