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Den ons 29 dec. 2021 20:37John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> Hossam Ghorab <hossamghorab404-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Thanks for sharing your idea. Maybe we can post our suggestions
> somewhere
> > where core Pandoc developers can see? They don't seem very active here.
>
> Really?  I've posted here 320 times in the last year.
>
> Note that the syntax `(@foo)` is already used for regular example
> lists; `foo` identifies the specific list number, not a list
> series.
>

Hence my proposal of curly brackets. However I discovered a later fuller
version where I addressed the issue of named list items, the full syntax
being

    @{[^]<counter_name>[:<item_name>][([<counter init>[!]]["<label>"[!]])]}

where the parts in `[=E2=80=A6]` are optional, each of `<counter_name>` and
`<item_name>` is an (ASCII) alphanumeric identifier and `<counter init>` is
a valid decimal, roman or alphabetical (starting) list item number and `!`
indicates that the counter/label should be reinitialized/set even if it has
been initialized/set before (e.g. for a per-chapter counter), and `^`
indicates that the label should have an initial capital (like in Bash
parameter expansion) so that e.g.

`(@{foo:bar(i)})`

~   Initializes the counter `foo` with lowercase Roman numerals starting
from one *unless* it has been initialized before, and sets the identifier
of this item to `bar` and no label. Renders as `(i)`

`(@{foo:bar(i!)})`

~   The same but forces the reinitialization of the counter.

`(@{foo:baz})`

~   Either a list item marker of counter `foo` with list item identifier
`baz` or a reference to the same (possibly becoming a link in formats which
allow that).

`(@{^sentence:quux(1 "mening")})`

~   Initializes the counter `sentence` to 1, with label "mening" (Swedish
for 'Sentence') and item identifier `quux`. Renders as `(Mening 1)`.

`(@{^sentence:fop})`

~   List item or reference of the above counter with item identifier `fop`.
Renders as `(Mening <n>)`, where `<n>` is the sequential number of item
`fop`.

`@{sentence:fop}`

~   Reference to the same item which renders as `mening <n>` without
capitalization of the label.



>
> >> This has come up before, and it wouldn't surprise me if there is
> already
> >> an issue for it, although I can't find one at the moment. (For all tha=
t
> I
> >> know I might even have opened such an issue myself but don't remember
> it.)
> >> I have a file with a proposal, but I don't remember if I ever posted
> it. My
> >> idea was to use curly brackets to distinguish counters from citations
> so
> >> `(@{foo})` would be the counter named `foo` and then optionally a colo=
n
> and
> >> a number/letter which gives the numbering type and the start number as
> for
> >> regular lists so `@{foo:10}` =3D the counter `foo` starting at 10 with
> >> decimal numbers, `@{bar:x}` =3D the counter `bar` starting at 10 with
> >> lowercase roman numbers, `@{baz:J}` =3D the counter `baz` starting at =
10
> with
> >> upper alpha numbers, with the `:N` bit being ignored except at the
> first
> >> occurrence of the counter, or maybe resetting the counter, as I imagin=
e
> >> that one of the main usea of this feature might be to have a separate
> count
> >> for each chapter, and then resetting the same counter makes sense.
> >>
> >> Den ons 22 dec. 2021 21:17Hossam Ghorab <hossamg...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> >>
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> Regarding the [continued numbered example lists](
> >>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#numbered-example-lists). A problem is
> >>> that we can only define a single list that gets continued along the
> >>> document. Why don't we use `(@x)` where we can simply call the
> identifier
> >>> of this list, x, whenever we want to continue it's numbering? The lis=
t
> >>> identifier may be any character not just a number. Something like:
> >>>
> >>> ``` (@1) element 1 of list 1 (@1) element 2 of list 1
> >>> --interruption---- List 2: (@2) element 1 of list 2  (@2) element 2 o=
f
> >>> list 2  ---- interruption---- List 1 continuous: (@1) element 3 of
> list 1
> >>>    (@1) element 4 of list 1
> >>> ```
> >>> This is a primary suggestion open to all kinds of arguments. And many
> >>> thanks to [@cderv](https://github.com/cderv) who has been a great
> help
> >>> regarding Pandoc issues facing Rmarkdown users.
> >>>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D=
"gmail_attr">Den ons 29 dec. 2021 20:37John MacFarlane &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org">jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org</a>&gt; skrev:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Hossam Ghorab &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hossamghorab404@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">hossamghorab404-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org</a>&gt;=
 writes:<br>
<br>
&gt; Thanks for sharing your idea. Maybe we can post our suggestions somewh=
ere <br>
&gt; where core Pandoc developers can see? They don&#39;t seem very active =
here.<br>
<br>
Really?=C2=A0 I&#39;ve posted here 320 times in the last year.<br>
<br>
Note that the syntax `(@foo)` is already used for regular example<br>
lists; `foo` identifies the specific list number, not a list<br>
series.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Hence my proposal of curly brackets. However I discovered a later fu=
ller version where I addressed the issue of named list items, the full synt=
ax being=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 @{[^]&lt;counter_name&gt;[:&lt;item_name&gt;][([&lt;counter init&gt;=
[!]][&quot;&lt;label&gt;&quot;[!]])]}</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">where the parts in `[=E2=80=A6]` are optional, each of `&lt;c=
ounter_name&gt;` and `&lt;item_name&gt;` is an (ASCII) alphanumeric identif=
ier and `&lt;counter init&gt;` is a valid decimal, roman or alphabetical (s=
tarting) list item number and `!` indicates that the counter/label should b=
e reinitialized/set even if it has been initialized/set before (e.g. for a =
per-chapter counter), and `^` indicates that the label should have an initi=
al capital (like in Bash parameter expansion) so that e.g.</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`(@{foo:bar(i)})`</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=A0Initializes the counter `foo` wi=
th lowercase Roman numerals starting from one *unless* it has been initiali=
zed before, and sets the identifier of this item to `bar` and no label. Ren=
ders as `(i)`</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`(@{foo:ba=
r(i!)})`<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0The same but forces the reinitialization of the counter.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`(@{foo:baz})`</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=A0Either a list item marker of cou=
nter `foo` with list item identifier `baz` or a reference to the same (poss=
ibly becoming a link in formats which allow that).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`(@{^sentence:quux(1 &quot;mening&quot;)})`</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=A0Initializes th=
e counter `sentence` to 1, with label &quot;mening&quot; (Swedish for &#39;=
Sentence&#39;) and item identifier `quux`. Renders as `(Mening 1)`.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`(@{^sentence:fop})`</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=A0List item or referen=
ce of the above counter with item identifier `fop`. Renders as `(Mening &lt=
;n&gt;)`, where `&lt;n&gt;` is the sequential number of item `fop`.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">`@{sentence:fop}`<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">~=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reference to the sa=
me item which renders as `mening &lt;n&gt;` without capitalization of the l=
abel.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; This has come up before, and it wouldn&#39;t surprise me if there =
is already <br>
&gt;&gt; an issue for it, although I can&#39;t find one at the moment. (For=
 all that I <br>
&gt;&gt; know I might even have opened such an issue myself but don&#39;t r=
emember it.) <br>
&gt;&gt; I have a file with a proposal, but I don&#39;t remember if I ever =
posted it. My <br>
&gt;&gt; idea was to use curly brackets to distinguish counters from citati=
ons so <br>
&gt;&gt; `(@{foo})` would be the counter named `foo` and then optionally a =
colon and <br>
&gt;&gt; a number/letter which gives the numbering type and the start numbe=
r as for <br>
&gt;&gt; regular lists so `@{foo:10}` =3D the counter `foo` starting at 10 =
with <br>
&gt;&gt; decimal numbers, `@{bar:x}` =3D the counter `bar` starting at 10 w=
ith <br>
&gt;&gt; lowercase roman numbers, `@{baz:J}` =3D the counter `baz` starting=
 at 10 with <br>
&gt;&gt; upper alpha numbers, with the `:N` bit being ignored except at the=
 first <br>
&gt;&gt; occurrence of the counter, or maybe resetting the counter, as I im=
agine <br>
&gt;&gt; that one of the main usea of this feature might be to have a separ=
ate count <br>
&gt;&gt; for each chapter, and then resetting the same counter makes sense.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Den ons 22 dec. 2021 21:17Hossam Ghorab &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hoss=
amg...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">hossamg...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org=
</a>&gt; skrev:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Dear all,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Regarding the [continued numbered example lists](<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#numbered-example-lis=
ts" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://pandoc.org/MANU=
AL.html#numbered-example-lists</a>). A problem is <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; that we can only define a single list that gets continued alon=
g the <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; document. Why don&#39;t we use `(@x)` where we can simply call=
 the identifier <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; of this list, x, whenever we want to continue it&#39;s numberi=
ng? The list <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; identifier may be any character not just a number. Something l=
ike:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ``` (@1) element 1 of list 1 (@1) element 2 of list 1=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; --interruption---- List 2: (@2) element 1 of list 2=C2=A0 (@2)=
 element 2 of <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; list 2=C2=A0 ---- interruption---- List 1 continuous: (@1) ele=
ment 3 of list 1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (@1) element 4 of list 1<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ```<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; This is a primary suggestion open to all kinds of arguments. A=
nd many <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; thanks to [@cderv](<a href=3D"https://github.com/cderv" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/cderv</a>) who=
 has been a great help <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; regarding Pandoc issues facing Rmarkdown users. <br>
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