Re: Issues with Quotation Marks in Pandoc When Mixing Japanese and English Texts

[BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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Have you looked at the LaTeX produced by pandoc.

Den ons 12 apr. 2023 00:31Shigeru Kobayashi <mayfair-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> Dear Bastien DUMONT,
>
> Thank you very much for your suggestions.
>
> > And if you use Unicode curly quotes inside the span?
>
> I tried this version, but unfortunately, there was no change in the output
> PDF (i.e., the Japanese font is used for the curly quotes).
>
>
> > If all else fails use Unicode curly quotes throughout and try this in
> the preamble:
> >
> > \newfontfamily{\GeorgiaFont}{Georgia}
> > \usepackage{newunicodechar}
> > \newunicodechar{‘}{{\GeorgiaFont ‘}}
> > \newunicodechar{’}{{\GeorgiaFont ’}}
> > \newunicodechar{“}{{\GeorgiaFont “}}
> > \newunicodechar{”}{{\GeorgiaFont ”}}
>
> I tried this as well, but unfortunately, there was no change in the output
> PDF.
>
> Initially, I suspected it was something in bxjsarticle that I had set in
> documentclass. However, this problem does not occur when I output PDF with
> xelatex from an equivalent source, rather than converting from Pandoc to
> TeX.
>
> I will investigate this a bit further.
>
>
> Best,
> Shigeru
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 7:01:45 AM UTC+9 BPJ wrote:
>
>
>
> Den tis 11 apr. 2023 07:53Shigeru Kobayashi <may...-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
> Dear Bastien DUMONT,
>
> Thank you very much for your reply. I tried as follows and got no changes.
> I'm sorry if I misunderstood your suggestion.
>
> *preamble.tex:*
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont{Georgia}
> \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> \babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia}
>
> *input.md:*
> ---
> documentclass: bxjsarticle
> classoption: pandoc
> papersize: a4
> ---
>
> [That person said, "Hello, world!"]{lang=en}
>
>
> And if you use Unicode curly quotes inside the span?
>
> If all else fails use Unicode curly quotes throughout and try this in the
> preamble:
>
> \newfontfamily{\GeorgiaFont}{Georgia}
> \usepackage{newunicodechar}
> \newunicodechar{‘}{{\GeorgiaFont ‘}}
> \newunicodechar{’}{{\GeorgiaFont ’}}
> \newunicodechar{“}{{\GeorgiaFont “}}
> \newunicodechar{”}{{\GeorgiaFont ”}}
>
> Inspect the LaTeX output by pandoc and make sure you get curly quotes in
> the LaTeX source, otherwise experiment with the +smart/-smart extension on
> input and output format till you get curly quotes in the LaTeX source.
>
>
>
>
>
> *shell:*
> $ pandoc -V lang=ja input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=xelatex -V pandoc
> -H preamble.tex
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:32:57 PM UTC+9 Bastien DUMONT wrote:
>
> An if you put the English parts in language spans as I said and add in
> header-includes \babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia}?
>
> Le Monday 10 April 2023 à 04:30:37PM, Shigeru Kobayashi a écrit :
> > Dear Bastien DUMONT and John MacFarlane,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your reply.
> >
> > Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode curly quotes instead of strait
> quotes to
> > avoid misinterpretation.
> >
> > Regarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That person
> said,
> > "Hello, world!"]{lang=en}, but the result was the same (i.e., quotes are
> > typeset with the Japanese font instead of the English font). I also
> tried
> > Unicode curly quotes.
> >
> > I have confirmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex" generates a code as
> > expected as follows:
> > \foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''}
> >
> > Therefore, this is puzzling to me...
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Shigeru KOBAYASHI
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40 AM UTC+9 John MacFarlane wrote:
> >
> > I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown when you're
> > working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on interword
> > spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.
> >
> > > On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi <may...-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Pandoc community,
> > >
> > > I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of quotation
> > marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.
> > >
> > > I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reproduce
> > these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as
> > issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these
> issues
> > arise from my incorrect usage.
> > >
> > > Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text
> > >
> > > I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the input file, and
> > "input.tex" is the output file.
> > >
> > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > その人は"Hello, world!"と言いました。
> > >
> > > input.tex:
> > > その人は''Hello, world!{}``と言いました。
> > >
> > > However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before and
> after
> > the double quotation marks.
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> > >
> > > input.tex:
> > > その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> > >
> > >
> > > Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text
> > >
> > > When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as
> Japanese
> > text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this using
> two
> > files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as follows:
> > >
> > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=xelatex -H preamble.tex.
> > >
> > > preamble.tex:
> > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > >
> > > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> > >
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > ---
> > > documentclass: bxjsarticle
> > > classoption: pandoc
> > > papersize: a4
> > > fontsize: 10pt
> > > ---
> > >
> > > # はじめに
> > >
> > > その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> > >
> > > That person said, "Hello, world!"
> > >
> > > <pandoc test 2023-04-10 8.47.43.png>
> > >
> > > In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output it
> using
> > $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text, and
> > the expected output is obtained.
> > >
> > > test.tex:
> > > \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=standard]{bxjsarticle}
> > >
> > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> > >
> > > \title{テスト}
> > > \begin{document}
> > > \maketitle
> > >
> > > \section{はじめに}
> > >
> > > その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> > >
> > > That person said, ``Hello, world!''
> > >
> > > \end{document}
> > >
> > > <xelatex test 2023-04-10 8.46.44.png>
> > >
> > > Shigeru Kobayashi
> > >
> > >
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