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From: BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Transliterated and original titles/names in citations
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:05:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADAJKhButR28wyxanhAEYJnjmnRtBQ8OraU0aZ86BHRmkm1SjA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c05fcec-fbb7-aed6-c1ec-e84610bcdd96-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

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I just realized two things which make matters much worse:

1.  Not all publications accept the same transliteration schemes. Just by
surveying one author's references to his own works in one bibliography I
find that his surname, Яблонский, can be transliterated in five different
ways (although two predominate)! So I'll need both a `transliterated title`
field and a field `transliterated authors` field with (in each item) a
mapping of alternative transliterations. Even Icelandic needs to be
transliterated sometimes, e.g. Þórður becoming Thórdur (with data loss!)

2. Sorting. Latin letters like _č, š,  ž_ need to sort as _c, s, z_ and
probably _Þ_ must sometimes sort like _Th_ and sometimes after _z_! This
needs sometimes tailored locale dependent sorting! Accented letters can
ideally be handled by entering things in NFC and hoping that sort
algorithms ignore combining marks, but then e.g. in Scandinavian languages
_ö_ sorts not as _o_ but at the end of the alphabet (ideally _þ, æ, ø, å,
ä, ö_ go at the end of the alphabet in that order, but often _æ/ä, ø/ö_ are
conflated either before or after _å_!). Anyway it seems CSL has no
customizable sort key field. I know how to handle these things myself with
[Unicode::Collate][] but that at least means some postprocessing of as yet
unknown complexity.

Den ons 4 sep. 2019 09:33BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> Does anyone know how to handle transliterated titles and names in
> citations, when you want to include both the transliteration and the
> original? Does CSL have any fields for that?
>
> TIA,
>
> /bpj
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-07 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-04  7:33 BPJ
     [not found] ` <0c05fcec-fbb7-aed6-c1ec-e84610bcdd96-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-04  8:53   ` Paulo Ney de Souza
2019-09-04 10:19   ` Denis Maier
2019-09-04 12:01   ` Joseph Reagle
2019-09-06 19:49   ` BPJ
     [not found]     ` <CADAJKhAd8iPOD=-gaZn_7-03t07HjSTq0SiH9Bq=HJ=ymtSU1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 21:02       ` John MacFarlane
2019-09-06 22:04       ` Denis Maier
     [not found]         ` <38609be6-0edc-4755-b2e7-6448795c907c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07  8:59           ` BPJ
2019-09-06 23:18       ` Maria Shinoto
     [not found]         ` <A4E70922-943A-49D3-9D9A-F5AC38E025AA-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07  5:45           ` Denis Maier
     [not found]             ` <f17993e8-dddc-4f10-a905-dc84fe6a5782-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  0:10               ` Maria Shinoto
     [not found]                 ` <F0FB7353-D963-4F54-BF29-F9477F194044-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  5:09                   ` Denis Maier
     [not found]                     ` <e4843c0c-7cf5-43fc-8653-83ddc075f954-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  9:40                       ` Maria Shinoto
2019-09-07 10:05   ` BPJ [this message]
     [not found]     ` <CADAJKhButR28wyxanhAEYJnjmnRtBQ8OraU0aZ86BHRmkm1SjA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07 10:10       ` BPJ
     [not found]         ` <CADAJKhDm8bibSjJfrM6W69qM_j1N9tPHEgRwaic4bZmrsB1CVw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  6:37           ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss
2019-09-07 21:41       ` Denis Maier
2019-09-08  0:18       ` Maria Shinoto

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