Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote

[BPJ <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org>]

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Ah I see now that they are PDFs, however if you import them into Google
Docs there is a Translate menu item there too somewhere, same caveats
applying, plus that layout formatting may become funny when you import PDF
into Google Docs.

Tip: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx and
process with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GDocs
first!

/bpj

Den tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> skrev:

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> Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org> skrev:
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>> I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too...
>> Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. I
>> defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical entries
>> in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and the
>> documentation here:
>> https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/search?page=1&size=20
>>
>> I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could be
>> inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manual
>> and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.
>>
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> In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there
> is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version!
> :-) item in the ⋮ menu which will translate a page and all linked pages on
> the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at times
> but translation where one of the languages is English usually are passable
> for on-the-fly reading — not that it will put me out of translation jobs
> anytime soon!
>
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>> Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 à 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a écrit :
>> > Here they are in a gist.
>> >
>> > [1]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
>> >
>> > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has very
>> > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I’m sure at least
>> *some*
>> > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using “§” instead of
>> “sec.” in
>> > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa
>> Theologica)
>> > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, CSL
>> > doesn’t have that level of conditional processing. (I also speak Lua
>> far better
>> > than I do CSL. :) )
>> >
>> > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation
>> filters —
>> > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be
>> referred
>> > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there’s no support for
>> short
>> > author names… so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the author, and
>> add in
>> > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I’m trying
>> to do
>> > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind
>> of
>> > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just
>> look for
>> > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like
>> that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
>> >     denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >     No, I’m not interested in anything in particular. Just general
>> interest.
>> >
>> >     Von: [5]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6]
>> pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>> >     > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>> >     Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
>> >     An: [7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
>> >     Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>> >
>> >     I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to
>> share a
>> >     subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or
>> just
>> >     general interest in citation filtering?
>> >
>> >     On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >         I don’t have a particular suggestion for what you need, but I
>> might be
>> >         interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share your
>> >         filters ?
>> >
>> >         Best,
>> >         Denis
>> >
>> >         Von: [9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10]
>> >         pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>> >         Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07
>> >         An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>> >         Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote
>> >
>> >         My institution has a few specific citation style requirements
>> that
>> >         stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly
>> around
>> >         specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the
>> >         requirements by making a new CSL.
>> >
>> >         For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I
>> intercept
>> >         the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs
>> and make
>> >         whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the
>> style to
>> >         SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes,
>> etc. In
>> >         general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a
>> single
>> >         Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, looking
>> at the
>> >         generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion
>> came
>> >         from which citation. I've got something working based on
>> scanning for
>> >         semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will
>> probably
>> >         break on certain sets of reference data.
>> >
>> >         Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to
>> citation
>> >         keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom
>> metadata,
>> >         but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (when
>> the
>> >         footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple
>> citations have
>> >         already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the
>> ability to
>> >         filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since
>> that's from
>> >         a different library that it is not exposed to Lua?
>> >
>> >         Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any
>> thoughts/
>> >         advice would be appreciated.
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>> > [1] https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
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