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Tip: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx and process with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GDocs first! /bpj Den tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ skrev: > > > Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT skrev= : > >> I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too... >> Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. = I >> defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographical entrie= s >> in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the style and the >> documentation here: >> https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-clio/search?page=3D1&size=3D20 >> >> I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could b= e >> inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manua= l >> and translate it automatically if you don't read this language. >> > > In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there > is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version! > :-) item in the =E2=8B=AE menu which will translate a page and all linked= pages on > the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at times > but translation where one of the languages is English usually are passabl= e > for on-the-fly reading =E2=80=94 not that it will put me out of translati= on jobs > anytime soon! > > > >> Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 =C3=A0 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a =C3=A9crit : >> > Here they are in a gist. >> > >> > [1]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12 >> > >> > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has ve= ry >> > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I=E2=80=99m sure= at least >> *some* >> > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using =E2=80=9C=C2=A7= =E2=80=9D instead of >> =E2=80=9Csec.=E2=80=9D in >> > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa >> Theologica) >> > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, C= SL >> > doesn=E2=80=99t have that level of conditional processing. (I also spe= ak Lua >> far better >> > than I do CSL. :) ) >> > >> > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation >> filters =E2=80=94 >> > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be >> referred >> > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there=E2=80=99s no suppor= t for >> short >> > author names=E2=80=A6 so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the aut= hor, and >> add in >> > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I=E2=80=99= m trying >> to do >> > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind >> of >> > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just >> look for >> > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like >> that. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4] >> > denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> > >> > No, I=E2=80=99m not interested in anything in particular. Just gen= eral >> interest. >> > >> > Von: [5]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[6] >> pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >> > > Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang >> > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43 >> > An: [7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org >> > Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote >> > >> > I haven't made the repository public yet, but would be happy to >> share a >> > subset -- is there anything in particular you're interested in, or >> just >> > general interest in citation filtering? >> > >> > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> > >> > I don=E2=80=99t have a particular suggestion for what you need= , but I >> might be >> > interested in what you already do. could you perhaps share you= r >> > filters ? >> > >> > Best, >> > Denis >> > >> > Von: [9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10] >> > pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegan= g >> > Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07 >> > An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> >> > Betreff: Separating multiple citations in generated footnote >> > >> > My institution has a few specific citation style requirements >> that >> > stray from the standard Chicago Style. The changes are mostly >> around >> > specific works, so it's difficult-to-impossible to meet the >> > requirements by making a new CSL. >> > >> > For the most part I'm able to handle it with Lua filters. I >> intercept >> > the citation reference both before and after --citeproc runs >> and make >> > whatever changes I need to; this might entail changing the >> style to >> > SuppressAuthor, making some capitalization/punctuation changes= , >> etc. In >> > general this works well, but where it gets difficult is if a >> single >> > Cite element contains multiple citations. In that case, lookin= g >> at the >> > generated footnote, there's no hard indicator of which portion >> came >> > from which citation. I've got something working based on >> scanning for >> > semicolons, but I worry that's a little bit fragile and will >> probably >> > break on certain sets of reference data. >> > >> > Is there any good way of mapping portions of the footnote to >> citation >> > keys? I was thinking to wrap them in a span with some custom >> metadata, >> > but I can only see the citations either before --citeproc (whe= n >> the >> > footnote doesn't exist yet) or after (when the multiple >> citations have >> > already combined). What would be truly ideal would be the >> ability to >> > filter the citation process itself, but I'm assuming since >> that's from >> > a different library that it is not exposed to Lua? >> > >> > Like I said, I have something mostly working now, but any >> thoughts/ >> > advice would be appreciated. >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >> it, send >> > an email to [12]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > To view this discussion on the web visit [13] >> https://groups.google.com/ >> > d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ >> > baf8fe27-c662-4825-981d-b49fb7b38d71n%40googlegroups.com. >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topi= c >> in the >> > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit [14] >> https://groups.google.com/d/ >> > 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Ah I see now that they are PDFs, however if you import th= em into Google Docs there is a Translate menu item there too somewhere, sam= e caveats applying, plus that layout formatting may become funny when you i= mport PDF into Google Docs.

Ti= p: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx and p= rocess with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GD= ocs first!

/bpj

Den= tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ <bpj@melroch= .se> skrev:


Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont@post= eo.net> skrev:
I have met th= e problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements too... Although I study = History, it seems that we are facing common drawbacks. I defined a set of c= onventions for the recording of bibliographical entries in Zotero and wrote= a sample style. You can find the style and the documentation here: https://zenodo.o= rg/communities/csl-clio/search?page=3D1&size=3D20

I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it could = be inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of the manua= l and translate it automatically if you don't read this language.

In the= android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) there is a &q= uot;Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish version!= :-) item in the =E2=8B=AE menu which will translate a page and all linked = pages on the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be fun= ny at times but translation where one of the languages is English usually a= re passable for on-the-fly reading =E2=80=94 not that it will put me out of= translation jobs anytime soon!



Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 =C3=A0 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a =C3=A9crit : > Here they are in a gist.
>
> [1]https://g= ist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3dc12
>
> My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and has ve= ry
> specific requirements for how certain citations look. I=E2=80=99m sure= at least *some*
> of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using =E2=80=9C=C2=A7= =E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Csec.=E2=80=9D in
> the locators), but others are around specific works (like the Summa Th= eologica)
> or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can tell, C= SL
> doesn=E2=80=99t have that level of conditional processing. (I also spe= ak Lua far better
> than I do CSL. :) )
>
> What really inspired this question was the institutional abbreviation = filters =E2=80=94
> on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they should be = referred
> to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there=E2=80=99s no suppor= t for short
> author names=E2=80=A6 so I track subsequent mentions, suppress the aut= hor, and add in
> the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I=E2=80=99= m trying to do
> that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see the kind= of
> weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I could just = look for
> a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or something like= that.
>
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3]d= enis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4]
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote: >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0No, I=E2=80=99m not interested in anything in parti= cular. Just general interest.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Von: [5]pandoc-discuss@goog= legroups.com <[6]pandoc-discuss@googlegroups= .com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0An: [7]pandoc-discuss@googl= egroups.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations in gener= ated footnote
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I haven't made the repository public yet, but w= ould be happy to share a
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subset -- is there anything in particular you'r= e interested in, or just
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0general interest in citation filtering?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t have a particular sug= gestion for what you need, but I might be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0interested in what you already do. co= uld you perhaps share your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filters ?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Denis
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Von: [9]pando= c-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <[10]
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0pandoc-discus= s@googlegroups.com> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 09:07<= br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0An: pandoc-discuss <[11]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Betreff: Separating multiple citation= s in generated footnote
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My institution has a few specific cit= ation style requirements that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stray from the standard Chicago Style= . The changes are mostly around
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0specific works, so it's difficult= -to-impossible to meet the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requirements by making a new CSL. >
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0For the most part I'm able to han= dle it with Lua filters. I intercept
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the citation reference both before an= d after --citeproc runs and make
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0whatever changes I need to; this migh= t entail changing the style to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SuppressAuthor, making some capitaliz= ation/punctuation changes, etc. In
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0general this works well, but where it= gets difficult is if a single
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cite element contains multiple citati= ons. In that case, looking at the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0generated footnote, there's no ha= rd indicator of which portion came
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0from which citation. I've got som= ething working based on scanning for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semicolons, but I worry that's a = little bit fragile and will probably
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0break on certain sets of reference da= ta.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Is there any good way of mapping port= ions of the footnote to citation
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0keys? I was thinking to wrap them in = a span with some custom metadata,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0but I can only see the citations eith= er before --citeproc (when the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0footnote doesn't exist yet) or af= ter (when the multiple citations have
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0already combined). What would be trul= y ideal would be the ability to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filter the citation process itself, b= ut I'm assuming since that's from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0a different library that it is not ex= posed to Lua?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Like I said, I have something mostly = working now, but any thoughts/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advice would be appreciated.
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