* Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
@ 2022-09-19 12:02 BPJ
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What is the proper way to include (reader) extensions with `pandoc.read`?
Specifically `-tex_math_dollars`, `-shortcut_reference_links` and
`+four_space_rule`.
I have read the docu but I don't get it, so an example (here and in the
docu) would be much appreciated!
TIA,
/bpj
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* Re: Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
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From: Albert Krewinkel @ 2022-09-19 12:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> What is the proper way to include (reader) extensions with
> `pandoc.read`? Specifically `-tex_math_dollars`,
> `-shortcut_reference_links` and `+four_space_rule`.
>
> I have read the docu but I don't get it, so an example (here and in
> the docu) would be much appreciated!
Extensions have to be passed as part of the format string, e.g.,
pandoc.read(source, 'markdown-tex_math_dollars')
I'm not entirely happy with this, as it means that any extensions passed
via a ReaderOptions object will be ignored.
-- this may seem like it should disable all extensions,
-- but the ReaderOptions `extensions` field is ignored.
-- The default 'markdown' extensions will be used instead.
pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', {extensions = {}})
Ideas to improve this would be most welcome.
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* Re: Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
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From: BPJ @ 2022-09-19 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Den mån 19 sep. 2022 14:51Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
skrev:
>
> BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > What is the proper way to include (reader) extensions with
> > `pandoc.read`? Specifically `-tex_math_dollars`,
> > `-shortcut_reference_links` and `+four_space_rule`.
> >
> > I have read the docu but I don't get it, so an example (here and in
> > the docu) would be much appreciated!
>
> Extensions have to be passed as part of the format string, e.g.,
>
> pandoc.read(source, 'markdown-tex_math_dollars')
>
> I'm not entirely happy with this, as it means that any extensions passed
> via a ReaderOptions object will be ignored.
>
> -- this may seem like it should disable all extensions,
> -- but the ReaderOptions `extensions` field is ignored.
> -- The default 'markdown' extensions will be used instead.
> pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', {extensions = {}})
>
> Ideas to improve this would be most welcome.
>
I would just change it to not ignore reader options, and throw an error if
the format string and the reader options contradict each other (except for
empty table = no extensions and no extensions in string = default
extensions). And better hurry before someone starts to rely on reader
options being ignored! :-)
>
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* Re: Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
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From: Albert Krewinkel @ 2022-10-04 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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BPJ <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Den mån 19 sep. 2022 14:51 Albert Krewinkel <
>> albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>>
>> Extensions have to be passed as part of the format string, e.g.,
>>
>> pandoc.read(source, 'markdown-tex_math_dollars')
>>
>> I'm not entirely happy with this, as it means that any extensions
>> passed via a ReaderOptions object will be ignored.
>>
>> -- this may seem like it should disable all extensions,
>> -- but the ReaderOptions `extensions` field is ignored.
>> -- The default 'markdown' extensions will be used instead.
>> pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', {extensions = {}})
>>
>> Ideas to improve this would be most welcome.
>
> I would just change it to not ignore reader options, and throw an
> error if the format string and the reader options contradict each
> other (except for empty table = no extensions and no extensions in
> string = default extensions). And better hurry before someone starts
> to rely on reader options being ignored! :-)
I believe that this has already become the expected behavior, so I'd be
very hesitant to break it. How about this approach: The format specifier
can currently only be a string. We change this to accept either a
string, or a table with the extensions being given in separate fields.
E.g.
-- extensions relative to default for format
{ format = 'markdown',
, disable = {'markdown_in_html_blocks'},
, enable = {'emoji'},
}
or
-- absolute set of extensions
{ format = 'docx',
, extensions = {'auto_identifiers', 'styles', 'citations'}
}
If the function is called with either a string or a table that has
explicit info on extensions, then the ReaderOptions extensions are
overridden. If the table has no info about extensions, then we use the
ReaderOptions.
It might still be a little confusing, as
pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', opts) -- default Markdown extensions
will behave differently than
pandoc.read(src, {format: 'markdown'}, opts) -- extensions in opts
Extensions are closer to formats than to reader options, conceptually.
It seems sensible to tie them to formats. But maybe there is a better
way?
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* Re: Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
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Den tis 4 okt. 2022 11:52Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
skrev:
>
> BPJ <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Den mån 19 sep. 2022 14:51 Albert Krewinkel <
> >> albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> >>
> >> Extensions have to be passed as part of the format string, e.g.,
> >>
> >> pandoc.read(source, 'markdown-tex_math_dollars')
> >>
> >> I'm not entirely happy with this, as it means that any extensions
> >> passed via a ReaderOptions object will be ignored.
> >>
> >> -- this may seem like it should disable all extensions,
> >> -- but the ReaderOptions `extensions` field is ignored.
> >> -- The default 'markdown' extensions will be used instead.
> >> pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', {extensions = {}})
> >>
> >> Ideas to improve this would be most welcome.
> >
> > I would just change it to not ignore reader options, and throw an
> > error if the format string and the reader options contradict each
> > other (except for empty table = no extensions and no extensions in
> > string = default extensions). And better hurry before someone starts
> > to rely on reader options being ignored! :-)
>
> I believe that this has already become the expected behavior, so I'd be
> very hesitant to break it. How about this approach: The format specifier
> can currently only be a string. We change this to accept either a
> string, or a table with the extensions being given in separate fields.
> E.g.
>
> -- extensions relative to default for format
> { format = 'markdown',
> , disable = {'markdown_in_html_blocks'},
> , enable = {'emoji'},
> }
>
I like this!
> or
>
> -- absolute set of extensions
> { format = 'docx',
> , extensions = {'auto_identifiers', 'styles', 'citations'}
> }
>
This `extensions` field would be identical to the `enable` field, wouldn't
it, or would it mean that all default extensions not explicitly mentioned
in it would be disabled? And what would happen if someone uses it together
with `disable` and/or `enable`; which would be ignored, or would it be an
error condition?
> If the function is called with either a string or a table that has
> explicit info on extensions, then the ReaderOptions extensions are
> overridden. If the table has no info about extensions, then we use the
> ReaderOptions.
>
If the format can be a table as described I think it is better to always
ignore the format/extension info in the ReaderOptions — and say so clearly
in the documentation!
> It might still be a little confusing, as
>
> pandoc.read(src, 'markdown', opts) -- default Markdown extensions
>
> will behave differently than
>
> pandoc.read(src, {format: 'markdown'}, opts) -- extensions in opts
>
> Extensions are closer to formats than to reader options, conceptually.
> It seems sensible to tie them to formats.
Agreed.
But maybe there is a better
> way?
>
I think this would be fine.
Also I assume that `pandoc.write()` would behave analogously?
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* Re: Lua filters: Extensions with pandoc.read?
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From: Albert Krewinkel @ 2022-10-04 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw
BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
> Den tis 4 okt. 2022 11:52Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>> -- absolute set of extensions
>> { format = 'docx',
>> , extensions = {'auto_identifiers', 'styles', 'citations'}
>> }
>
> This `extensions` field would be identical to the `enable` field,
> wouldn't it, or would it mean that all default extensions not
> explicitly mentioned in it would be disabled? And what would happen if
> someone uses it together with `disable` and/or `enable`; which would
> be ignored, or would it be an error condition?
Mmmh, good point. My initial idea was to use the format's default
extension when no `extensions` field is given. But that's confusing,
because now omitting the `extensions` field can have multiple meanings
("fall back to reader options" or "use default extensions"), depending
on which other fields are set. Not a good interface.
Maybe extensions should be Lua objects with some convenient methods:
``` lua
{ format: 'markdown',
extensions: pandoc.extensions.default('markdown'):disable{'smart'}
}
```
Bit more typing, but much cleaner.
> If the format can be a table as described I think it is better to
> always ignore the format/extension info in the ReaderOptions — and
> say so clearly in the documentation!
Yes, I think you are right.
> Also I assume that `pandoc.write()` would behave analogously?
Definitely, `read` and `write` should stay symmetric.
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From: John MacFarlane @ 2022-10-04 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Mmmh, good point. My initial idea was to use the format's default
> extension when no `extensions` field is given. But that's confusing,
> because now omitting the `extensions` field can have multiple meanings
> ("fall back to reader options" or "use default extensions"), depending
> on which other fields are set. Not a good interface.
Not sure about this, but what about?
- if no `extensions` field is present, then default extensions for that format are used, as possibly modified by `+` or `-` in the format specifier
- if `extensions` is present, then those extensions will be used, instead of the defaults; if you want no extensions, just use `ejxtensions = {}`
- if `extensions` is present *and* modifiers to format, then start with `extensions` and apply the modifiers
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Den tis 4 okt. 2022 19:26John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Albert Krewinkel <albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mmmh, good point. My initial idea was to use the format's default
> > extension when no `extensions` field is given. But that's confusing,
> > because now omitting the `extensions` field can have multiple meanings
> > ("fall back to reader options" or "use default extensions"), depending
> > on which other fields are set. Not a good interface.
>
>
> Not sure about this, but what about?
>
> - if no `extensions` field is present, then default extensions for that
> format are used, as possibly modified by `+` or `-` in the format specifier
>
Wouldn't it be better if `+`/`-` in the `format` field be an error
condition if the format argument is a table? Least confusing IMO.
- if `extensions` is present, then those extensions will be used, instead
> of the defaults; if you want no extensions, just use `ejxtensions = {}`
> - if `extensions` is present *and* modifiers to format, then start with
> `extensions` and apply the modifiers
>
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If this change is done would it be possible to allow a similar format in
defaults files? It does get a bit unwieldy when you have a long list of
extensions.
Den tors 6 okt. 2022 13:11BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>
> Den tis 4 okt. 2022 19:26John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Albert Krewinkel <
>> albert+pandoc-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mmmh, good point. My initial idea was to use the format's default
>> > extension when no `extensions` field is given. But that's confusing,
>> > because now omitting the `extensions` field can have multiple meanings
>> > ("fall back to reader options" or "use default extensions"), depending
>> > on which other fields are set. Not a good interface.
>>
>>
>> Not sure about this, but what about?
>>
>> - if no `extensions` field is present, then default extensions for that
>> format are used, as possibly modified by `+` or `-` in the format specifier
>>
>
> Wouldn't it be better if `+`/`-` in the `format` field be an error
> condition if the format argument is a table? Least confusing IMO.
>
>
> - if `extensions` is present, then those extensions will be used, instead
>> of the defaults; if you want no extensions, just use `ejxtensions = {}`
>> - if `extensions` is present *and* modifiers to format, then start with
>> `extensions` and apply the modifiers
>>
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