public inbox archive for pandoc-discuss@googlegroups.com
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Transliterated and original titles/names in citations
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 12:10:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADAJKhDm8bibSjJfrM6W69qM_j1N9tPHEgRwaic4bZmrsB1CVw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADAJKhButR28wyxanhAEYJnjmnRtBQ8OraU0aZ86BHRmkm1SjA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2313 bytes --]

Oops, forgot the link:

https://metacpan.org/pod/Unicode::Collate

Den lör 7 sep. 2019 12:05BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> I just realized two things which make matters much worse:
>
> 1.  Not all publications accept the same transliteration schemes. Just by
> surveying one author's references to his own works in one bibliography I
> find that his surname, Яблонский, can be transliterated in five different
> ways (although two predominate)! So I'll need both a `transliterated title`
> field and a field `transliterated authors` field with (in each item) a
> mapping of alternative transliterations. Even Icelandic needs to be
> transliterated sometimes, e.g. Þórður becoming Thórdur (with data loss!)
>
> 2. Sorting. Latin letters like _č, š,  ž_ need to sort as _c, s, z_ and
> probably _Þ_ must sometimes sort like _Th_ and sometimes after _z_! This
> needs sometimes tailored locale dependent sorting! Accented letters can
> ideally be handled by entering things in NFC and hoping that sort
> algorithms ignore combining marks, but then e.g. in Scandinavian languages
> _ö_ sorts not as _o_ but at the end of the alphabet (ideally _þ, æ, ø, å,
> ä, ö_ go at the end of the alphabet in that order, but often _æ/ä, ø/ö_ are
> conflated either before or after _å_!). Anyway it seems CSL has no
> customizable sort key field. I know how to handle these things myself with
> [Unicode::Collate][] but that at least means some postprocessing of as yet
> unknown complexity.
>
> Den ons 4 sep. 2019 09:33BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
>
>> Does anyone know how to handle transliterated titles and names in
>> citations, when you want to include both the transliteration and the
>> original? Does CSL have any fields for that?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> /bpj
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CADAJKhDm8bibSjJfrM6W69qM_j1N9tPHEgRwaic4bZmrsB1CVw%40mail.gmail.com.

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3356 bytes --]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-07 10:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-04  7:33 BPJ
     [not found] ` <0c05fcec-fbb7-aed6-c1ec-e84610bcdd96-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-04  8:53   ` Paulo Ney de Souza
2019-09-04 10:19   ` Denis Maier
2019-09-04 12:01   ` Joseph Reagle
2019-09-06 19:49   ` BPJ
     [not found]     ` <CADAJKhAd8iPOD=-gaZn_7-03t07HjSTq0SiH9Bq=HJ=ymtSU1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-06 21:02       ` John MacFarlane
2019-09-06 22:04       ` Denis Maier
     [not found]         ` <38609be6-0edc-4755-b2e7-6448795c907c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07  8:59           ` BPJ
2019-09-06 23:18       ` Maria Shinoto
     [not found]         ` <A4E70922-943A-49D3-9D9A-F5AC38E025AA-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07  5:45           ` Denis Maier
     [not found]             ` <f17993e8-dddc-4f10-a905-dc84fe6a5782-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  0:10               ` Maria Shinoto
     [not found]                 ` <F0FB7353-D963-4F54-BF29-F9477F194044-7M2J4GrLiDedPOQpRHQ53DeJuz7u0hKX@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  5:09                   ` Denis Maier
     [not found]                     ` <e4843c0c-7cf5-43fc-8653-83ddc075f954-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  9:40                       ` Maria Shinoto
2019-09-07 10:05   ` BPJ
     [not found]     ` <CADAJKhButR28wyxanhAEYJnjmnRtBQ8OraU0aZ86BHRmkm1SjA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-07 10:10       ` BPJ [this message]
     [not found]         ` <CADAJKhDm8bibSjJfrM6W69qM_j1N9tPHEgRwaic4bZmrsB1CVw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-09-08  6:37           ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss
2019-09-07 21:41       ` Denis Maier
2019-09-08  0:18       ` Maria Shinoto

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=CADAJKhDm8bibSjJfrM6W69qM_j1N9tPHEgRwaic4bZmrsB1CVw@mail.gmail.com \
    --to=melroch-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumwx3w@public.gmane.org \
    --cc=pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).