Re: reference grammar (was: unknown)

[BPJ <melroch-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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First of all apologies for forgetting to put a subject on my original post!

Den fre 26 maj 2023 00:20Rik <amphiboly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:

> On 2023-05-25 09:52, BPJ wrote:
> > (Apologies to those who get cross-posts of this — I hope to reach as
> > many as possible, and believe that there may be people here who have
> > relevant experience.)
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I'm looking for advice from people who have used LaTeX, preferably
> > XeLaTeX but LuaLaTeX is interesting too,[1] to write a (“traditional”)
> > reference grammar (or even better an historical reference grammar), and
> > if so have you anything to share — code or pointers or examples? I will
> > almost certainly mesh LaTeX and Pandoc so experiences from handling the
> > issues mentioned below in that context are very welcome.
> >
> > I have tried to find something on CTAN but have come up empty handed,
> > and googling “write [natural language] reference grammar with LaTeX” has
> > proved useless.
> >
> > The first feature I will need is section numbers — “§ 42” style — which
> are
> >
> > -   in the left margin against a paragraph;
> > -   possible to reference with links in the PDF;
> > -   preferably using a label since the actual numbers may be subject to
> > change when adding/moving around parts;
> > -   with running § numbers (of first § on left page and (preferably)
> > last § on right page) in the page headers;
> > -   independent of chapter/heading structure: a § number/label stands
> > against a paragraph rather than a heading, and naturally a paragraph may
> > or may not have one;
> > -   possibile to have indices — index rerum and index verborum for
> > multiple languages — referring to § numbers rather than pages.
> >
> > So I think that more generally this is about
> >
> > -   custom label/reference categories;
> > -   custom counters;
> > -   getting things into the (left) margin flush with the top of a
> paragraph;
> > -   getting custom things (involving counters) into page headers;
> > -   custom index formats, specifically indices referencing other numbers
> > than page numbers.[2]
> >
> > I fully expect to have to set up most of this myself, and am willing to
> > write external scripts to deal with aspects of it — preferred language
> > Perl (which I have been using since the mid nineties) and I’m able and
> > willing to use PerlTeX if convenient, since I’m a far better Perl than
> > TeX programmer, although getting a grip on LaTeX solutions would be
> > wonderful! :-) I also have Lua experience but as I'm using above-ASCII
> > Unicode a lot Lua may be less useful. FWIW I have a good grip on how to
> > do Unicode-aware/custom-order sorting in Perl and I have even written
> > (slow) code to do Unicode-aware/custom-order sorting in Lua.
> >
> > [1] This involves needing to use system fonts and Unicode/UTF-8 encoded
> > text using multiple scripts. Mostly Latin, IPA, Greek and some Cyrillic,
> > but using some “exotic” Latin letters and combining marks.
> >
> > [2] This looks relevant: <https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/63674/93534
> > <https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/63674/93534>>.  Using memoir seems to
> > be a good idea anyway.
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> I believe that ConTeXt can handle all of these requirements. Refer to
> \definelabel and related for the first three requirements,
> \definemarking and related for the next, and register subentries for the
> last (see https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context-wvrSQK3plZs@public.gmane.org/msg74028.html)
> for more on that.
>

That looks promising, if it is worth the learning curve since there are a
number of LaTeX packages which I already rely on which may not have a ready
ConTeXt equivalent. How hard would it be to define a sort order for a new
script, perhaps wholly or partly located in the/a PUA?


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