Re: Can a given publisher's citations be listed first?

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Aha, thanks! Indeed, I got carried away by the use of 'topic' there. That
is also how I use it.

I tried coming up with a filter to do what BibLaTeX does, that is, using a
single bibliography file, to print several bibliography sections filtering
references by keywords. I had hoped you were working toward a similar goal
because I failed miserably.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 7:29 AM 'William Lupton' via pandoc-discuss <
pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay in replying.
>
> Perhaps the use of the word "topic" is causing confusion? I see that I
> used this term in my PR (and it's used in the
> https://github.com/pandoc-ext/multibib "about" text) but it's not used in
> the README.md.
>
> In this context, "topic" is really the same as "bibliography file". It's
> assumed that you want to split your references into multiple topics, and
> will use a separate bibliography file for each topic.
>
> So in the
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pandoc-ext/multibib/main/test/input.md
> example (pasted below) the two topics are "sources" and
> "recommended-reading". I hope that this helps.
>
> ---
> title: Multiple Bibliographies Demo
> bibliography:
>   sources: test/primary.bib
>   recommended-reading: test/secondary.bib
> nocite: '@Knu86, @Bae'
> ---
> @Nie72, @Bel
>
> # References
>
> ::: {#refs-sources}
> :::
>
> # Recommended Reading
>
> ::: {#refs-recommended-reading}
> :::
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 at 15:50, Bernardo C. D. A. Vasconcelos <
> bernardovasconcelos-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> What does it mean to filter the bibliography per topic? I couldn't
>> understand how to use this using the new filter. Is the source file updated
>> to reflect it?
>>
>> It sounds very interesting.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:22:19 AM UTC-3 William Lupton wrote:
>>
>>> I've made some changes and created
>>> https://github.com/pandoc-ext/multibib/pull/8 for discussion.
>>>
>>> The changes in the PR work for my use case, but in fact I've decided to
>>> stick with the 'original-publisher' approach that I mentioned earlier. I
>>> control the necessary bibliography files and this approach doesn't require
>>> any changes to documents.
>>>
>>> I created https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/9077 to suggest a
>>> utils.citeproc() 'quiet' flag.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 11:27, William Lupton <
>>> wlu...-QSt+ys/nuMyEUIsrzH9SikB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, I took a look and it seems that they are basically the same
>>>> (multiple-bibliographies -> multibib in the transition to pandoc-ext) but
>>>> their commit histories look different so there's obviously a bit more to it.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, multiple-bibliographies avoids the problem by always running
>>>> citeproc as a JSON filter (via pandoc --citeproc for recent pandoc
>>>> versions) and passing the --quiet flag.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I'll use multiple-biographies for now, and look into how best
>>>> to update pandoc-ext/multibib, which really should be the "official"
>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts from anyone on whether utils.citeproc() could provide a
>>>> 'quiet' argument (or equivalent)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 11:11, Bastien DUMONT <bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually I meant this filter:
>>>>> https://github.com/pandoc/lua-filters/tree/master/multiple-bibliographies
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems to be an older version of multibib, but I never had the
>>>>> problemm you report with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Le Monday 11 September 2023 à 10:59:26AM, 'William Lupton' via
>>>>> pandoc-discuss a écrit :
>>>>> > I'm hitting a (non-fatal but annoying) problem. The multibib filter
>>>>> first runs
>>>>> > citeproc to generate a list of all citations, then it reruns
>>>>> citeproc once for
>>>>> > each supplied bibliography file, and this generates warnings for the
>>>>> citations
>>>>> > in the _other_ bibliography files.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For example, the test in the repo works ... but apparently doesn't
>>>>> (and it took
>>>>> > me a while to realise this)!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > % make
>>>>> > [WARNING] Citeproc: citation Bae not found
>>>>> > [WARNING] Citeproc: citation Knu86 not found
>>>>> > [WARNING] Citeproc: citation Bel not found
>>>>> > [WARNING] Citeproc: citation Nie72 not found
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think that the best way to avoid the warnings would be to capture
>>>>> and ignore
>>>>> > them, but I'd (much) rather do that only for the secondary citeproc
>>>>> runs that
>>>>> > are _expected_ to output warnings.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there a way to do this using the existing utils.citeproc()
>>>>> function? I tried
>>>>> > naively temporarily redefining io.stderr but perhaps that was never
>>>>> going to
>>>>> > work in the presumably-Haskell utils.citeproc().
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > William
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 13:03, William Lupton <[1]
>>>>> wlu...-QSt+ys/nuMyEUIsrzH9SikB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     Thanks! [2]https://github.com/pandoc-ext/multibib I assume.
>>>>> I'll look into
>>>>> >     it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >     On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 12:53, Bastien DUMONT <[3]
>>>>> bastien...-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
>>>>> >     wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         I would split my bibliography file in two and use the
>>>>> >         multiple-bibliographies filter. That's a sometimes irritating
>>>>> >         limitation of CSL: you can check if a variable is set, but
>>>>> not test its
>>>>> >         value.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >         Le Friday 08 September 2023 à 11:17:57AM, 'William Lupton'
>>>>> via
>>>>> >         pandoc-discuss a écrit :
>>>>> >         > Hello,
>>>>> >         >
>>>>> >         > I'd like to sort references so a given publisher's ("BBF")
>>>>> references
>>>>> >         are
>>>>> >         > listed first, and am wondering whether it's possible to
>>>>> compare the
>>>>> >         publisher
>>>>> >         > variable with "BBF". I tried, but it doesn't seem to work
>>>>> (and the
>>>>> >         CSL spec.
>>>>> >         > doesn't appear to indicate that you can do this), so I've
>>>>> fallen back
>>>>> >         on using
>>>>> >         > original-publisher (I'll have to make sure that all the BBF
>>>>> >         references use this
>>>>> >         > rather than publisher). This works, but I'd prefer the
>>>>> first
>>>>> >         approach. Any
>>>>> >         > suggestions?
>>>>> >         >
>>>>> >         > CSL is attached.
>>>>> >         >
>>>>> >         > Thanks,
>>>>> >         > William
>>>>> >         >
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