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On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 12:23, EBkysko wrote: > Note there's a caveat to this solution: as the guide mentions, with > 'block' the notes are placed at the end of the current **top-level** bloc= k, > which might not be the paragraph itself. > > Examples: > > - If the paragraph is an item in a list, the note is placed below the > list, not the item (and below main list if a nested list). > - If the paragraph is within a fenced div, the note is placed after > the fenced div. > - A corollary to the above: if a filter uses `make_sections`, the > notes might end up at end of document after all. > > > On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 9:55:26=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5 Lyndon Drake wr= ote: > >> Brilliant @EBkysko =E2=80=94 that works exactly as I'd hoped. Thank you! >> >> On Tuesday, 21 November 2023 at 19:11:24 UTC-6 EBkysko wrote: >> >>> try (with markdown output >>> ) >>> >>> ``` >>> --reference-location=3Dblock >>> ``` >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:23:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5 Gwern Branwen= wrote: >>> >>>> This seems possibly tricky? I don't know what the Lua filters can or >>>> cannot do, but I'm not sure how one could solve this using just the Ha= skell >>>> API... Pandoc was not designed as a source-2-source processor so it do= esn't >>>> make much effort to support Markdown-to-Markdown passes - like the obv= ious >>>> roundtrip will potentially change your Markdown formatting to a >>>> semantically-equivalent but entirely different-looking Markdown doc. >>>> (Macfarlane has said repeatedly that this will not be changed.) >>>> >>>> In your case, footnotes throw away the positioning information. >>>> Consider the 3 possibilities: >>>> >>>> Foo[^foo]. >>>> >>>> Foo bar^[Bar.] >>>> >>>> Foo baz[^baz] >>>> >>>> [^baz]: Baz. >>>> >>>> [^foo]: foo. >>>> >>>> This parses into: >>>> >>>> [ Para >>>> [ Str "Foo" , Note [ Para [ Str "foo." ] ] , Str "." ] >>>> , Para >>>> [ Str "Foo" >>>> , Space >>>> , Str "bar" >>>> , Note [ Para [ Str "Bar." ] ] >>>> ] >>>> , Para >>>> [ Str "Foo" >>>> , Space >>>> , Str "baz" >>>> , Note [ Para [ Str "Baz." ] ] >>>> ] >>>> ] >>>> >>>> So you can't know 'where' a footnote body was put, whether at the end >>>> of the doc or elsewhere. >>>> >>>> Further, Pandoc will write out the Markdown according to its own >>>> conventions, which go opposite of what you want, by putting *all* foot= note >>>> bodies at the end, regardless of where they were or whether they could= be >>>> inline footnotes, and the Markdown writer probably takes no options wh= ich >>>> would change that: >>>> >>>> Foo[^1]. >>>> >>>> Foo bar[^2] >>>> >>>> Foo baz[^3] >>>> >>>> [^1]: foo. >>>> >>>> [^2]: Bar. >>>> >>>> [^3]: Baz. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> gwern >>>> https://gwern.net >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ff6a6898-e1c0-413f-b6c2-= d81ea2d949d4n%40googlegroups.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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If=C2=A0--reference-location=3Dblock turns out not to be s= ufficient, I don't think a lua filter will help, but a custom writer co= uld (the writer is responsible for handling footnotes).

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 = at 12:23, EBkysko <ebkysko-Re5JQEeQqe8@public.gmane.org= m> wrote:
Note there's a caveat to this solution: as the guide mentions, with &#= 39;block' the notes are placed at the end of the current **top-level** = block, which might not be the paragraph itself.

Examples:
    If the paragraph is an item in a list, the note is placed below the list, = not the item (and below main list if a nested list).
  • If the paragra= ph is within a fenced div, the note is placed after the fenced div.
    • A corollary to the above: if a filter uses `make_sections`, the notes migh= t end up at end of document after all.

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at= 9:55:26=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5 Lyndon Drake wrote:
Brilliant @EBkysko =E2=80=94 that works exact= ly as I'd hoped. Thank you!

On Tuesday, 21 November 2023 at 19:11:24 UTC= -6 EBkysko wrote:
markdown output)=

```
--reference-location=3Dblock
```

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 4:23:57=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5 Gwern Branwen wr= ote:
This seems possibly tricky? I don't know what the Lua filter= s can or cannot do, but I'm not sure how one could solve this using jus= t the Haskell API... Pandoc was not designed as a source-2-source processor= so it doesn't make much effort to support Markdown-to-Markdown passes = - like the obvious roundtrip will potentially change your Markdown formatti= ng to a semantically-equivalent but entirely different-looking Markdown doc= . (Macfarlane has said repeatedly that this will not be changed.)
=

In your case, footnotes throw away the positioning info= rmation.
Consider the 3 possibilities:

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Foo[^foo].

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Foo bar^[Bar.]
<= br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Foo baz[^baz]

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [^baz]: Baz.<= br>=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [^foo]: foo.

This = parses into:

[ Para
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [ Str "F= oo" , Note [ Para [ Str "foo." ] ] , Str "." ]
= , Para
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [ Str "Foo"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Space
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Str "bar"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Note [ Para [ Str &q= uot;Bar." ] ]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]
, Para
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [ Str &quo= t;Foo"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Space
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Str "baz"=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Note [ Para [ Str "Baz." ] ]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= ]
]

So you can't know 'where' = a footnote body was put, whether at the end of the doc or elsewhere.
<= div>
Further, Pandoc will write out the Markdown according to= its own conventions, which go opposite of what you want, by putting *all* = footnote bodies at the end, regardless of where they were or whether they c= ould be inline footnotes, and the Markdown writer probably takes no options= which would change that:

Foo[^1].

Foo = bar[^2]

Foo baz[^3]

[^1]: foo.

[^2]: Bar.

[^3]:= Baz.

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