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[2a00:1450:4864:20::335]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x16si662674wmi.1.2021.04.23.13.55.53 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Apr 2021 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::335 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::335; Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x335.google.com with SMTP id t14-20020a05600c198eb029012eeb3edfaeso1879299wmq.2 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:219a:: with SMTP id e26mr5953040wme.13.1619211353109; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=OQT+ZczD; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::335 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28213 Archived-At: On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 3:28 PM Bastien DUMONT wrote: > > > I guess you use note-based styles? > > Yes! > > > Why do you have those as part of the same citation, as opposed to > > putting that content in a note, with two distinct citations? > > The problem is that Pandoc would assign the "author in text" output > method to both citations, which can result in unwanted behaviour in > some cases. Maybe this doesn't apply to Org-mode. The org support is designed with configurable processor support, so in theory, once it's merged, it should be possible to hook up John's citeproc library with a little elisp glue. > > Does it make sense to treat "suppress author" differently than other > > citation variant; like, say, author-in-text (in natbib, \citet)? > > I just saw today something like "following Andrews' demonstration > (2008),...", so yes, it can be viewed as an additional property. I don't follow. Why isn't that just a simple suppress-author citation? > > Are these really the properties that should attach to the citation > > items, rather than the citation overall? > > From a purely technical point of view, it depends on whether two > distinct citations can be placed inside a footnote. From a conceptual > point of view, I would say that author suppression is "micro-context- > dependant", so yes, but it is more debatable. Bruce