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[2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17si718056lfo.9.2021.04.24.03.29.34 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Apr 2021 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::429; Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id h4so41793207wrt.12 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:2c4:: with SMTP id o4mr9989841wry.232.1619260173490; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 03:29:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b="j/qb76+b"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::429 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bdarcus-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28220 Archived-At: On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:22 AM John MacFarlane wrote: > I do think that conceptually, suppress-author makes more sense > on the whole citation rather than on individual citation-items. > > The way pandoc does things is derived from ancient lore from > pandoc-citeproc, and I think some of the thinking behind it > may be hard to recover now. TBH, I think this was informed by a decision originally made in Zotero. > We reduce an "in-text" citation like "Jones (1989, p. 33)" to a > combination > > author-only + suppress-author > > But really that whole combination should be the thing you > specify on the citation. As in, that example is best specified as a modifier on the citation as a whole; so in the org-cite syntax: [cite/text:@jones89 p33] ... but the pandoc syntax doesn't currently support such styles? Bruce