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[2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c195si412271itb.0.2017.01.19.03.23.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242; Original-Received: by mail-oi0-x242.google.com with SMTP id u143so2919036oif.3 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:23:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.202.73.135 with SMTP id w129mr3786456oia.158.1484824986550; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:23:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::242 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:16734 Archived-At: --001a1134e796e08722054670c142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As for users rightly not caring how pandoc does its thing that point can't be stressed enough. Of course there is a progression of degree of involvement with the AST from the proverbial ordinary user over filter authors and filter engine developers to pandoc developers but it is very important that the ordinary user feels included. A logo must speak obviously and immediately to eveyone at any level of involvement. In a sense that is true of documentation too: there ought to be a general overview to get everyone started, no matter their level of computer experience and whether they want to go on to the full manual and the gory details or not. tors 19 jan. 2017 kl. 09:47 skrev Sergio Correia = : > Personally, I wouldn't use a logo chosen without the approval of John; > would feel a bit rude tbh. That said, we can vote on proposals and pick o= ur > favorites, in order to frame the discussion. > > > About the logo: > > > - We should pick a logo that denotes *what* pandoc does, not *how *it > does it. Users (rightly) don't care that pandoc builds an abstract syn= tax > tree, so that should not be in the logo. (This is also what BP stated = in > his Dec16 post) > - At its core, pandoc converts documents. It converts *.md* into *.htm= l > and so on*. A quick google image search tells us that *the* canonical > icon for conversion is the circle arrow symbol (kinda like the recycli= ng > arrow). example: > http://cracksfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/avs-document-converte= r_98327.jpg > - For documents, any stack would do: > http://images.clipartpanda.com/document-clipart-082004-green-grunge-cl= ipart-icon-business-document4.png > > It's also interesting to see how the rmarkdown folks look at this: > > http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/images/RMarkdownOutputFormats.png > > > > > > On Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 3:03:55 AM UTC-5, Albert Krewinkel wrote= : > > =E8=97=A4=E5=8E=9F=E7=94=B1=E6=9D=A5 writes: > > > > > > > Then, as some people say, we need commitment of logo in this group (not > only in > > > > this thread). > > > > > > > > I like the idea to release the final logo in the release date of Pandoc > 2.0. > > > > Because meaning (like a story or literature) is important to be > impressively > > > > remembered for people. > > > > > > It seems clear to me that jgm is the only person who can choose an > > > official pandoc logo. > > > > > > However, we, as an community, can still vote on a logo. It won't be > > > official pandoc logo, but the community logo which can be used to brand > > > projects build with or around pandoc. Of course that logo could be > > > changed as soon as an official logo is chosen. > > > > > > My suggestion would be to wait a little while longer before doing any > > > voting, e.g. until the first of March. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/dea3f868-3f9c-496e-8d20-= 5471582f88cb%40googlegroups.com > > . > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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As for users rightly not caring how pandoc does its thing that point c= an't be stressed enough. Of course there is a progression of degree of = involvement with the AST from the proverbial ordinary user over filter auth= ors and filter engine developers to pandoc developers but it is very import= ant that the ordinary user feels included. A logo must speak obviously and = immediately to eveyone at any level of involvement.

In a sense that is true of documentation too: there ought to be a general= overview to get everyone started, no matter their level of computer experi= ence and whether they want to go on to the full manual and the gory details= or not.

tors 19 jan. 2017 kl= . 09:47 skrev Sergio Correia <sergio.correia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
Personally, I wouldn't use a logo chosen with= out the approval of John; would feel a bit rude tbh. That said, we can vote= on proposals and pick our favorites, in order to frame the discussion.

About the logo:

It's also interesting to s= ee how the rmarkdown folks look at this:

http://rmarkdown.rstudio.com/images/RMarkdownOutputFormats.pn= g



=

On Thursday, January 19, 20= 17 at 3:03:55 AM UTC-5, Albert Krewinkel wrote:
=E8=97=A4=E5=8E=9F=E7=94=B1=E6=9D= =A5 <sky.y...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> = writes:





>= Then, as some people say, we need commitment of logo in this group (not on= ly in


> this thread).


>


> I like the idea to = release the final logo in the release date of Pandoc 2.0.


> Because meaning (like a story or literature) is importa= nt to be impressively


> remembered for pe= ople.





It se= ems clear to me that jgm is the only person who can choose an


official pandoc logo.



=

However, we, as an community, can still vote on= a logo. It won't be


official pandoc log= o, but the community logo which can be used to brand


projects build with or around pandoc.=C2=A0 Of course that logo co= uld be


changed as soon as an official logo i= s chosen.





My= suggestion would be to wait a little while longer before doing any

=
voting, e.g. until the first of March.










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