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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::534]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h125-v6si349693qkd.4.2018.11.01.04.22.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Nov 2018 04:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::534 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::534; Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x534.google.com with SMTP id i4-v6so8889892pgq.9 for ; Thu, 01 Nov 2018 04:22:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a62:8e0a:: with SMTP id k10-v6mr7516865pfe.182.1541071348638; Thu, 01 Nov 2018 04:22:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=peeOThjn; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::534 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:21397 Archived-At: --0000000000004f2942057998a2d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just out of curiosity, since the Markdown and HTML readers presumably do a named entity to character lookup to resolve entities, would it be hard or forbiddingly expensive to have the writers do the reverse lookup under the `--ascii` option, only falling back to (preferably hex) numeric entities only if no named entity is found? After all probably everyone has an easier time mentally mapping named entities to characters than numeric entities. I know the [HTML 5 named entity list][] is huge, but AFAIK it is not official yet. [HTML 5 named entity list]: https://metacpan.org/source/TOBYINK/HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.004/lib/HTML/HTML5/Entities.pm#L23 Den ons 31 okt 2018 21:37 skrev John MacFarlane : > mb21 writes: > > > You can use the --ascii flag, which will emit:

™

> > And, just to be explicit: there's no way to keep > `™`; pandoc throws out information about which > entity was used and just stores the character. > > If you really want `™`, though, you could do: > > `™`{=markdown} > > and this will be passed through to markdown output verbatim. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/yh480k7ehx3la0.fsf%40johnmacfarlane.net > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAFC_yuTO0w%2BoW9bdszpuP1iq30gUP0Zm0_Y%3DqyAeDX8WFvDz5Q%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --0000000000004f2942057998a2d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just out of curiosity, since the Markdo= wn and HTML readers presumably do a named entity to character lookup to res= olve entities, would it be hard or forbiddingly expensive to have the write= rs do the reverse lookup under the `--ascii` option, only falling back to (= preferably hex) numeric entities only if no named entity is found? After al= l probably everyone has an easier time mentally mapping named entities to c= haracters than numeric entities. I know the [HTML 5 named entity list][] is= huge, but AFAIK it is not official yet.

<= div dir=3D"auto">[HTML 5 named entity list]: = https://metacpan.org/source/TOBYINK/HTML-HTML5-Entities-0.004/lib/HTML/HTML= 5/Entities.pm#L23

Den ons 31 okt 2018 21:37 skrev John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:
mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> You can use the=C2=A0 --ascii flag, which will emit: <p>&#84= 82;</p>

And, just to be explicit: there's no way to keep
`&trade;`; pandoc throws out information about which
entity was used and just stores the character.

If you really want `&trade;`, though, you could do:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 `&trade;`{=3Dmarkdown}

and this will be passed through to markdown output verbatim.

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