From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.text.pandoc/13543 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: BP Jonsson Newsgroups: gmane.text.pandoc Subject: Re: Specifying location of bibliography in document Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:57:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20150829140403.GA47273@MacBook-Air.local> <20150829142113.GA47586@MacBook-Air.local> <55E35446.2000009@web.de> Reply-To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111d0c8e1ee06051e97a016 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441011474 3647 80.91.229.3 (31 Aug 2015 08:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:57:54 +0000 (UTC) To: "pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org" Original-X-From: pandoc-discuss+bncBDIY76M674FRBD5OSCXQKGQERS442IY-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Mon Aug 31 10:57:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from mail-io0-f185.google.com ([209.85.223.185]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWKuW-00082g-Kf for gtp-pandoc-discuss@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:57:52 +0200 Original-Received: by ioeu67 with SMTP id u67sf2539348ioe.0 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-spam-checked-in-group :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe; bh=ZJojOkaHxx9ZbdvvWjf7DWHrY2tbY38Xpl0XrkcCp34=; b=WKKvNu4m7Yt00YAzI+BfM8wGY+DK4ZBjH7lnW1FX3H3m+1khb2S52AIxTibmARu4N6 MIWswfBZyYKNtn/8pSXaK71aPTFA6aBV3e7W5xkv50dzn+i5E7ubgOBIc/Sqjl4yseCc 4KS7jgaqJ6YmYy3hmVGt5OuyCfVYcA2ytW4gx7b5FRQIMXsBKnx2Ig1AKcnThkX6I/mN m1b2yNwW588GOxV4TTwgn4nrh2Zdl0amN0kegpcNDLnnXLUgs730zuQvhUDHx5PYKIP2 mcNq3ygvQmlV0iKUrMCSHXD5FGPngl7pipf+YRlrz3BHaI1rat+YuquNp5phFobk4Uok ssTA== X-Received: by 10.50.73.234 with SMTP id o10mr82322igv.11.1441011472229; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org Original-Received: by 10.107.15.197 with SMTP id 66ls1293955iop.100.gmail; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.114.166 with SMTP id jh6mr16426978igb.6.1441011471749; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22f.google.com (mail-ig0-x22f.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4si150699igq.3.2015.08.31.01.57.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f; Original-Received: by mail-ig0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id i7so51826409igu.1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.124.4 with SMTP id me4mr13935268igb.34.1441011471607; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.107.20.199 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55E35446.2000009-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bpjonsson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:13543 Archived-At: --089e0111d0c8e1ee06051e97a016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I share your (Pablo's) irritation over the {X,HT}ML syntax for divs and spans every bit I think it is important not to confuse that issue with the any questions about the uses of divs or spans, which are orthogonal. In principle we could use any markup to signal "the references go here", but the idea that that markup should be independent both of any particular place in the document and of the header (if any!) used for the references section is a sound one, and the marked div solution is a good one, semantically speaking. /bpj s=C3=B6ndag 30 augusti 2015 skrev Pablo Rodr=C3=ADguez : > On 08/29/2015 04:21 PM, John MacFarlane wrote: > > Followup: I think it makes more sense to use a div > > with id=3D"references" rather than a section. That gives > > maximum flexibility; e.g. you can insert the bibliography > > without a section header, or under a header and some > > preliminary text. So the proposal is that if the document > > contains a Div with id "references", the bibliography > > is inserted there; otherwise at the end of the document > > (in which case it is also put in a special Div, as it > > is now). > > John, > > I think it would be better to avoid mixing markups (Markdown and XML). > This is especially difficult for new users with no coding background. > > The same flexibility can be added with a title such as: > > # Referenzen {#references} > > Here comes the preliminary text. > > After them, references are automatically inserted. > > If you don=E2=80=99t what to have titles for bibliographies, it is easier= to > make them invisible. > > > > Pablo > > > > > +++ John MacFarlane [Aug 29 15 07:04 ]: > >>> Is there a way to specify a location other than the end of > >>> the document for insertion of the bibliography? There > >>> might, for example, need to be appendices or other material > >>> following the list of references. > >> > >> Currently you can only do this by generating the > >> bibliography as a separate document, and inserting it > >> manually (e.g. using a template). > >> > >> There's a proposal in > >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/771 that I think should > >> probably be implemented. The idea is that pandoc-citeproc > >> would look for a header with id "references". If it finds > >> one, it inserts the bibliography there. If it doesn't, > >> it behaves like it currently does and appends the > >> bibliography to the end of the document. As far as I can > >> see, this would be pretty easy to implement. > >> > >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/1612 makes a similar > >> proposal for table of contents, and > >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/1720 for footnotes, > >> but those are independent and could be done separately > >> or not at all. > > > > -- > http://www.ousia.tk > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org . > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > . > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/55E35446.2000009%40web.d= e > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 ------------------------------ SavedURI :Show URLShow URLSavedURI : SavedURI :Hide URLHide URLSavedURI : https://mail.google.com/_/scs/mail-static/_/js/k=3Dgmail.main.sv.G3GZFwvcni= Q.O/m=3Dm_i,t,it/am=3DfUAcTAoZawdGHAZ2YD-g9N_f7LL4CX7WlSgHQKgABHaCv9kToPiBD= 8qOMw/rt=3Dh/d=3D1/rs=3DAItRSTO5CF1YB_frDRXLXTeUsQ1zItcBvwhttps://mail.goog= le.com/_/scs/mail-static/_/js/k=3Dgmail.main.sv.G3GZFwvcniQ.O/m=3Dm_i,t,it/= am=3DfUAcTAoZawdGHAZ2YD-g9N_f7LL4CX7WlSgHQKgABHaCv9kToPiBD8qOMw/rt=3Dh/d=3D= 1/rs=3DAItRSTO5CF1YB_frDRXLXTeUsQ1zItcBvw ------------------------------ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/CAFC_yuTgry38Odx_CFy5akpY7gfhEfhoPqi9U4%3DJ%3DdRh8jA1Qw%40ma= il.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --089e0111d0c8e1ee06051e97a016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I share your (Pablo's) irritation over the {X,HT}ML syntax for di= vs and spans every bit I think it is important not to confuse that issue wi= th the any questions about the=C2=A0uses of divs or spans, which are orthog= onal. In principle we could use any markup to signal "the references g= o here", but the=C2=A0idea that that markup should be independent both= of any particular place in the document and of the header (if any!) used f= or the references section is a sound one, and the marked div solution is a = good one, semantically speaking.

/bpj
s=C3=B6ndag 30 augusti 2015 skrev Pablo Rodr=C3=ADguez <oinos-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>:
O= n 08/29/2015 04:21 PM, John MacFarlane wrote:
> Followup:=C2=A0 I think it makes more sense to use a div
> with id=3D"references" rather than a section.=C2=A0 That giv= es
> maximum flexibility; e.g. you can insert the bibliography
> without a section header, or under a header and some
> preliminary text.=C2=A0 So the proposal is that if the document
> contains a Div with id "references", the bibliography
> is inserted there; otherwise at the end of the document
> (in which case it is also put in a special Div, as it
> is now).

John,

I think it would be better to avoid mixing markups (Markdown and XML).
This is especially difficult for new users with no coding background.

The same flexibility can be added with a title such as:

# Referenzen {#references}

Here comes the preliminary text.

After them, references are automatically inserted.

If you don=E2=80=99t what to have titles for bibliographies, it is easier t= o
make them invisible.



Pablo



> +++ John MacFarlane [Aug 29 15 07:04 ]:
>>> Is there a way to specify a location other than the end of
>>> the document for insertion of the bibliography? There
>>> might, for example, need to be appendices or other material >>> following the list of references.
>>
>> Currently you can only do this by generating the
>> bibliography as a separate document, and inserting it
>> manually (e.g. using a template).
>>
>> There's a proposal in
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/771 that I think should
>> probably be implemented.=C2=A0 The idea is that pandoc-citeproc >> would look for a header with id "references".=C2=A0 If i= t finds
>> one, it inserts the bibliography there.=C2=A0 If it doesn't, >> it behaves like it currently does and appends the
>> bibliography to the end of the document.=C2=A0 As far as I can
>> see, this would be pretty easy to implement.
>>
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/1612 makes a similar
>> proposal for table of contents, and
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/1720 for footnotes,
>> but those are independent and could be done separately
>> or not at all.



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