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In particular, see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLOutput (quo= ted below, my emphasis) > ... the only way you have a say in the use of the output is if *substanti= al > parts of the output* are copied (more or less) from text in your program Having at least looked at the HTML template, I don't think it would qualify= as a "creative work" at all. You could add a clarification to the LICENSE that it's pandoc's position that output documents are not copyrightable, or you could explicitly license them as Public Domain / some Permissive license. B= ut I doubt that it's necessary - it's intuitively obvious that the output of pan= doc should inherit the license of its input. All the best, Dan On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:28=E2=80=AFAM Bastien DUMONT wrote: > > For the mere pleasure of discussing theoretical legal aspects, here is a = Q&A that clarifies the issue (especially the first paragraph): https://www.= gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WMS > > Le Monday 24 July 2023 =C3=A0 02:05:36AM, 'Julian Reich' via pandoc-discu= ss a =C3=A9crit : > > Hi, > > > > On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:36:49=E2=80=AFAM UTC+2 John MacFarlane = wrote: > > > > What I can say is that I certainly never intended a requirement tha= t > > documents generated > > using these templates contain a copyright or license notice. > > > > > > Thank you for your prompt response and clarification. > > The more I think about it: if we consider the template to be a program = itself, > > and the generated document to be the output of that program, it seems r= ather > > far-fetched that the license of the program should extend to its output= . > > Then again, these are just my personal rationalizations, still not a la= wyer. > > > > > > Regards, > > Julian Reich > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an email > > to [1]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit [2]https://groups.google.com/d= /msgid/ > > pandoc-discuss/81877b75-2b0b-4813-a073-b93f79909a28n%40googlegroups.com= . > > > > References: > > > > [1] mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > > [2] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/81877b75-2b0b-4813= -a073-b93f79909a28n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfoot= er > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/pandoc-discuss/ZL5EI44Nne793BiM%40localhost. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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