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[2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4si1396201igl.1.2015.08.19.08.05.03 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pauloney-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c; Original-Received: by mail-ob0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id fr1so6463434obb.1 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:05:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.84.164 with SMTP id a4mr8595165oez.63.1439996703020; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.202.77.17 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:05:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55D461E5.9080609-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: pauloney-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pauloney-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pauloney-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:13486 Archived-At: --089e01184de2f61daa051dab5b01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me choose where to start ... 1- To have a logo that is text based and simple is nice, but what you count as a "minus" point on Knuth's design was in fact very intentional -- the TeX logo, executed by "\TeX" exhibits carefully crafted kerning of the characaters, that back in 1979 only TeX was able to do and right now if you try repeating it in InDesign you will see how hard it is to reproduce it. 2- Now your choice of Computer Modern is really really off! CM was designed for another time and another computer technology and another screen resolution 72 dpi rather than the retina displays we use right now. Even after re-designs and adaptations over the years to accommodate for new font technology, it is unreadable on the preferred reading devices of our times like iPad and high resolution phones. The choice of slanted is even worst - look at the kerning between the "o" and the "c" in your PDF file. Paulo Ney On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:00 AM, BP Jonsson wrote: > Den 2015-08-16 21:33, Stefan Bj=C3=B6rk skrev: > >> Just play around with the characters. Make it simple. there are plenty o= f >> possibilities. >> >> > *If* Pandoc is going to have a logo I think we should learn from history: > > * +1 Knuth designed a logo for TeX which could be reproduced by *tex* > the program without relying on any image file. > > * -1 He didn't make it simple enough: it was and is hard to reproduce > with other tools. > > Thus a Pandoc logo should be possible to reproduce with pandoc and the > tools pandoc uses and caters for, without the need for any special tools, > fonts, images or drawing skill. > > Therefore I suggest a logo which is the word 'Pandoc' in an italic > 'typewriter' font, with an asterisk on either side. I prefer the Computer > Modern italic typewriter font, because it looks both italic and > typewriter-like, but any italic typewriter font should do. > > Such a logo can be easily reproduced with code like the following. > > > docbook: > > : ``` *Pandoc* ``` > > html: > > : ``` *Pandoc* ``` > > latex: > > : ``` \emph{\texttt{*Pandoc*}} ``` > > markdown: > > : ``` *`*Pandoc*`* ``` > > mediawiki: > > : ``` ''*Pandoc*'' ``` > > rst: > > : ``` *``*Pandoc*``* ``` > > textile: > > : ``` _@*Pandoc*@_ ``` > > > When there *is* need for something icon-like (although to me icon and CLI > don't really go together) the equivalent of `` *`*P*`* ``, possibly frame= d, > can be used. > > /bpj > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/55D461E5.9080609%40gmail= .com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Let me choose where to start ...

1- To have a logo that is text based and simple is nice, but what you c= ount as a "minus" point on Knuth's design was in fact very in= tentional -- the TeX logo, executed by "\TeX" exhibits carefully = crafted kerning of the characaters, that back in 1979 only TeX was able to = do and right now if you try repeating it in InDesign you will see how hard = it is to reproduce it.

2- Now your choice of Computer Modern i= s really really off! CM was designed for another time and another computer = technology and another screen resolution 72 dpi rather than the retina disp= lays we use right now. Even after re-designs and adaptations over the years= to accommodate for new font technology, it is unreadable on the preferred = reading devices of our times like iPad and high resolution phones. The choi= ce of slanted is even worst - look at the kerning between the "o"= and the "c" in your PDF file.

Paulo Ney
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On Wed, Aug 19, 20= 15 at 4:00 AM, BP Jonsson <bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Den 2015-08-16 21:33, Stefan Bj=C3=B6rk skrev:
Just play around with the characters. Make it simple. there are plenty of possibilities.


*If* Pandoc is going to have a logo I think we should learn from history:
*=C2=A0 =C2=A0+1 Knuth designed a logo for TeX which could be reproduced by= *tex* the program without relying on any image file.

*=C2=A0 =C2=A0-1 He didn't make it simple enough: it was and is hard to= reproduce with other tools.

Thus a Pandoc logo should be possible to reproduce with pandoc and the tool= s pandoc uses and caters for, without the need for any special tools, fonts= , images or drawing skill.

Therefore I suggest a logo which is the word 'Pandoc' in an italic = 'typewriter' font, with an asterisk on either side. I prefer the Co= mputer Modern italic typewriter font, because it looks both italic and type= writer-like, but any italic typewriter font should do.

Such a logo can be easily reproduced with code like the following.


docbook:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` <emphasis><literal>*Pandoc*<= /literal></emphasis> ```

html:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` <em><code>*Pandoc*</code>= </em> ```

latex:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` \emph{\texttt{*Pandoc*}} ```

markdown:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` *`*Pandoc*`* ```

mediawiki:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` ''<code>*Pandoc*</code>= '' ```

rst:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` *``*Pandoc*``* ```

textile:

:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0``` _@*Pandoc*@_ ```


When there *is* need for something icon-like (although to me icon and CLI d= on't really go together) the equivalent of `` *`*P*`* ``, possibly fram= ed, can be used.

/bpj

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