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Indeed, the CSL variables for translation/reprint and the like are the same of the old BibTeX files, now deprecated by the Biblatex format. This new format is much more practical, but I agree that a conversion would be a bit heavy. A sort of pre-filter should read the related entry, extract the needed data (e.g. title), add data with a new label (e.g. original-title), and reshape the cited item. Not difficult, but a bit cumbersome. Do you think that a proposal would be worth submitting? Il giorno mar 20 ago 2019 alle ore 09:06 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss < pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> ha scritto: > To the best of my knowledge, CSL does not provide any mechanisms for > dealing with relations between different items. (For example, that=E2=80= =99s why > pandoc-citeproc needs to pull all the data from a `crossref`ed item and > fold it into the `crossref`ing item when translating from bibtex/biblatex > to CSL JSON/YAML.) > > CSL-M has =E2=80=9C`cs:alternative` to add supplementary reference inform= ation to > a cited item, such as a translation or reprint=E2=80=9D ( > https://citeproc-js.readthedocs.io/en/latest/csl-m/index.html#cs-alternat= ive-extension), > but even if we were to consider adding CSL-M extensions to pandoc-citepro= c, > we would still have to fold all the information from a number of differen= t > biblatex items (translation/reprint; orig. lang. version; earlier print; = =E2=80=A6) > into one CSL JSON/YAML item. > > Anyone who sees this a unsatisfactory could of course submit a proposal > for enhancing CSL itself ( > https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/issues). > > > =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original = Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:17 AM, John MacFarlane > wrote: > > > The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to > > these things. > > > > > http://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-vari= ables > > > > If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from > > bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope > > for pandoc-citeproc. > > > > Guido Milanese guido.milanese-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org writes: > > > > > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" as an interesti= ng > > > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to write > and > > > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex. I > > > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" field (e.g. an > > > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "related" > fields, > > > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and the like. Is this feature > > > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data in > BibTeX > > > format. > > > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly useful and truly > smart. > > > guido (NW Italy) > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6a9af74f-d011-4733-a984-= 7c8f460ee41c%40googlegroups.com > . > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/m2pnl0icnm.fsf%40johnmac= farlane.net > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/gcv2qSIRn0c/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/_YdyL8q3jBoJ-JMffharjdfW= IMGA7ANVgMtHkCOOd7CneS3SPlY32aCAKl1VkkVLkrNoomKBp42dHQ3crkF5-OAsr330aQphFgd= AvZ4j43k%3D%40protonmail.com > . > --=20 Guido Milanese - Professor of Classics - Docteur H.C. Paris ICP Universita' Cattolica d.S.C., Milano - Brescia http://docenti.unicatt.it/ita/guido_fabrizio_milanese --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/CAFsD75Q1dfQT8X5Q9usctbf9rdUPzDdPPLaELUHB0Sk0yUqbpw%40mail.g= mail.com. --000000000000c1c93305908829a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you. Indeed, the CSL variables for translation/= reprint and the like are the same of the old BibTeX files, now deprecated b= y the Biblatex format. This new=C2=A0 format is much more practical, but I = agree that a conversion would be a bit heavy. A sort of pre-filter should r= ead the related entry, extract the needed data (e.g. title), add data with = a new label (e.g.=C2=A0 original-title), and reshape the cited item. Not di= fficult, but a bit cumbersome. Do you think that a proposal would be worth = submitting?

Il giorno mar 20 ago 2019 alle ore 09:06 'Nick Bart= 9; via pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> ha scritto:
To the best of my knowledge, CSL does= not provide any mechanisms for dealing with relations between different it= ems. (For example, that=E2=80=99s why pandoc-citeproc needs to pull all the= data from a `crossref`ed item and fold it into the `crossref`ing item when= translating from bibtex/biblatex to CSL JSON/YAML.)

CSL-M has =E2=80=9C`cs:alternative` to add supplementary reference informat= ion to a cited item, such as a translation or reprint=E2=80=9D (https://citeproc-js.readt= hedocs.io/en/latest/csl-m/index.html#cs-alternative-extension), but eve= n if we were to consider adding CSL-M extensions to pandoc-citeproc, we wou= ld still have to fold all the information from a number of different biblat= ex items (translation/reprint; orig. lang. version; earlier print; =E2=80= =A6) into one CSL JSON/YAML item.

Anyone who sees this a unsatisfactory could of course submit a proposal for= enhancing CSL itself (https://github.com/ci= tation-style-language/schema/issues).


=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:17 AM, John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> The question is whether CSL has any variables corresponding to
> these things.
>
> http://docs.citat= ionstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html#standard-variables
>
> If so, we could try to be smarter about translating from
> bibtex/biblatex to citeproc json. If not, then it's out of scope > for pandoc-citeproc.
>
> Guido Milanese guido.milanese-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org writes:
>
> > I am seriously experimenting pandoc filter "citeproc" a= s an interesting
> > alternative to the workflow I am more used to, i.e. markdown to w= rite and
> > then compilation -- through pandoc -- as LaTeX + biber + Biblatex= . I
> > noticed that the filter supports the BibTeX "crossref" = field (e.g. an
> > article published in a volume of Proceedings) but not the "r= elated" fields,
> > such as "translationof", "multivolume" and th= e like. Is this feature
> > planned? This would be a great advantage for those who save data = in BibTeX
> > format.
> > Thank you. The pandoc "constellation" is incredibly use= ful and truly smart.
> > guido (NW Italy)
> > --
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