Question about omitting brackets in citation format

Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[Joseph Johnson]

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Good morning,

First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone 
who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool.

If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation 
format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the 
format *[@citekey, pagenum]*,  it is possible to omit the surrounding 
brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations 
within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the 
User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like 
"For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct 
reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. 

However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets 
in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page 
25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: 
Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not 
actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being 
outputted verbatim. 

The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, 
on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume 
that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice.

Many thanks for your time, and all my best,
Joe

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Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[John MacFarlane]

The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going
on in your case.  One possibility is that this is just the
way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely).

If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this
(input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then
we can take a look.

Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Good morning,
>
> First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone 
> who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool.
>
> If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation 
> format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the 
> format *[@citekey, pagenum]*,  it is possible to omit the surrounding 
> brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations 
> within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the 
> User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like 
> "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct 
> reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. 
>
> However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets 
> in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page 
> 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: 
> Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not 
> actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being 
> outputted verbatim. 
>
> The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, 
> on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume 
> that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice.
>
> Many thanks for your time, and all my best,
> Joe
>
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Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[Bastien DUMONT]

Just in case, do you type "@citekey [25]" or "@citekey [p. 25]"?

Le Friday 24 September 2021 à 09:08:39AM, John MacFarlane a écrit :
> 
> The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going
> on in your case.  One possibility is that this is just the
> way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely).
> 
> If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this
> (input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then
> we can take a look.
> 
> Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes:
> 
> > Good morning,
> >
> > First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to everyone 
> > who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool.
> >
> > If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a citation 
> > format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to the 
> > format *[@citekey, pagenum]*,  it is possible to omit the surrounding 
> > brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations 
> > within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in the 
> > User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote like 
> > "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct 
> > reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses. 
> >
> > However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within brackets 
> > in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing page 
> > 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title (Place: 
> > Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is not 
> > actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being 
> > outputted verbatim. 
> >
> > The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like MLA, 
> > on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I assume 
> > that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice.
> >
> > Many thanks for your time, and all my best,
> > Joe
> >
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Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[Joseph Johnson]

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Dear all,

Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here that
contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as
[25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p.
25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx file
output.

Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also noticed
that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but it
has in the past.

Many thanks again for your help,
Joe

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:20 PM Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

> Just in case, do you type "@citekey [25]" or "@citekey [p. 25]"?
>
> Le Friday 24 September 2021 à 09:08:39AM, John MacFarlane a écrit :
> >
> > The feature works fine for me, so I'm not sure what is going
> > on in your case.  One possibility is that this is just the
> > way your style formats page numbers (but that's unlikely).
> >
> > If you create a zip with everything needed to reproduce this
> > (input file, csl, bibliography, and exact command used) then
> > we can take a look.
> >
> > Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes:
> >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > First of all, I want to say thank you to John MacFarlane and to
> everyone
> > > who works on Pandoc. It is a truly wonderful tool.
> > >
> > > If you have the chance, I'd be grateful for your advice about a
> citation
> > > format question. I've only just recently learned that in addition to
> the
> > > format *[@citekey, pagenum]*,  it is possible to omit the surrounding
> > > brackets, thus preventing parentheses from being inserted in citations
> > > within footnotes. If I understand correctly, following the examples in
> the
> > > User's Guide, it should be possible to write something in a footnote
> like
> > > "For more information, see *@citekey [pagenum],*" yielding the correct
> > > reference in the footnote without enclosing it in parentheses.
> > >
> > > However, whenever I attempt this, the page number remains within
> brackets
> > > in the outputted file. For example, using the Chicago style and citing
> page
> > > 25, the result would be: "For more information, see *Author, Title
> (Place:
> > > Publisher, Year) [25]*." This seems to suggest that the page number is
> not
> > > actually being associated with the citation, and that it is just being
> > > outputted verbatim.
> > >
> > > The behavior is consistent when using different CSL stylesheets like
> MLA,
> > > on both macOS and Linux, using two different versions of Pandoc. I
> assume
> > > that I've misunderstood something, and would be grateful for advice.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your time, and all my best,
> > > Joe
> > >
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Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[John MacFarlane]

Oh, I was assuming you were converting from markdown.
Yes, if you're going from org, it may be a limitation of that.

See https://pandoc.org/org.html on the citation syntax currently
supported.

It may be that we can easily add support for this to org,
but I'm not the one who maintains the org reader, and I'm
also not up on the latest discussions of citations in org...

Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Dear all,
>
> Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here that
> contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as
> [25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p.
> 25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx file
> output.
>
> Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also noticed
> that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but it
> has in the past.
>
> Many thanks again for your help,
> Joe

Re: Question about omitting brackets in citation format

[Joseph Johnson]

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Ah, that's good to know -- thank you. The support for org-mode is so good
in general that sometimes I find myself expecting it *all* to work.
Thank you again for your work on Pandoc.
All my best,
Joe

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 2:47 PM John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
> Oh, I was assuming you were converting from markdown.
> Yes, if you're going from org, it may be a limitation of that.
>
> See https://pandoc.org/org.html on the citation syntax currently
> supported.
>
> It may be that we can easily add support for this to org,
> but I'm not the one who maintains the org reader, and I'm
> also not up on the latest discussions of citations in org...
>
> Joseph Johnson <jj892-eicrhRFjby6OECnbzgFItQ@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Thank you both so much for the replies. I've included a zip file here
> that
> > contains all the necessary files to show the behavior. I tried it both as
> > [25] and [p. 25], but the results were identical (this example shows p.
> > 25). The file command.txt shows the command I used to produce the docx
> file
> > output.
> >
> > Could it have something to do with the org-mode conversion? I also
> noticed
> > that the suppress-bibliography option didn't work for me this time, but
> it
> > has in the past.
> >
> > Many thanks again for your help,
> > Joe
>


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Assistant Professor of French and Francophone Studies
Georgetown University
josephrjohnson.com

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