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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::92a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y3si573824vke.2.2020.08.23.17.57.16 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::92a is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::92a; Original-Received: by mail-ua1-x92a.google.com with SMTP id s29so2123945uae.1 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6f8b:: with SMTP id f11mr1220202uav.45.1598230636449; Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:57:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@lazerware-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=Xy0zOvVW; spf=neutral (google.com: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::92a is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org) smtp.mailfrom=leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:25976 Archived-At: --0000000000005af62805ad95117d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice. Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough. Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder. On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead wrote: > Thank you all, that's very helpful. > > mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found > that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see fr= om > my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some > headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it > produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1. > > Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep > an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged > PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files. > > -- > Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org > > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 wrote: > >> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also >> report success with ConTeXt: >> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766 >> >> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote= : >> >>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML. >>> >>> http://www.princexml.com >>> >>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince) >>> >>> H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en >>> >>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote:: >>> >>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (eithe= r >>> via >>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for >>> > screen reader integration. >>> > >>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using >>> either >>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PD= F >>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to >>> produce >>> > the Tagged PDF. >>> > >>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of >>> these >>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons... >>> > >>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in >>> the >>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will >>> happen. >>> > >>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can >>> now >>> > produce Tagged PDFs ( >>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/), >>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well. >>> > >>> > Leonard >>> > >>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim wrote: >>> > >>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a >>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a documen= t >>> by >>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and >>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert >>> these >>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is >>> defined as >>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from >>> the point >>> > > of view of the screenreader. >>> > > >>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word an= d >>> then >>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really >>> like to >>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more >>> flexibility. >>> > > >>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to >>> retain >>> > > headers when creating a PDF? >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > > "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> > > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> > > >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8df= e-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com >>> > > < >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8df= e-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter> >>> >>> > > . >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JHcqWFaAmjTMd= s%3D3kZ4tEPktwpikG-HeoqZqX8c1tR9g%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f6e14085-7e59-4772-aa8e= -f8928661bfb7n%40googlegroups.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CANUYFegTjwmiewYk1TT6t%3= D2FB6xbve2WBWLLxZGckyhRnCq3gg%40mail.gmail.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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You can create them on the command line using Word, on eit= her Mac or Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreO= ffice.=C2=A0 Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy e= nough.

Hakon - yes, thanks=C2=A0for the reminder.
<= /div>
O= n Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thank you all, = that's=C2=A0very helpful.

mb21: thank you for direct= ing me to the github issue. I'd actually found that independently, and = it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from my comments at the bott= om of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some headers, it doesn't all= ow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it produces a PDF it flattens all= headers to level 1.

Word seems like the best bet = for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep an eye on this, though,= as it would be great to be able to create tagged PDFs from the command lin= e, based on Markdown files.

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On Sun, 23 Aug= 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There is also a corresponding pandoc github iss= ue, where people also report success with ConTeXt:
On= Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote:
=
Also, Prince will h= appily create tagged PDF from HTML.

http://www.princexml.com

(I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)

H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.w= iumlie.no/en

Leonard Rosenthol wrote::

> That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (e= ither via
> TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required= for
> screen reader integration.
>=20
> Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX usin= g either
> MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagge= d PDF
> turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign t= o produce
> the Tagged PDF.
>=20
> I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both o= f these
> paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>=20
> Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) wor= k in the
> TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will h= appen.
>=20
> And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) = can now
> produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.= com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
> so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as= well.
>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <jame= s.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read= with a
> > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a = document by
> > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in bo= th Word and
> > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to conv= ert these
> > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text tha= t is defined as
> > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a he= ader from the point
> > of view of the screenreader.
> >
> > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As&q= uot; from word and then
> > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I= 'd really like to
> > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more= flexibility.
> >
> > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pan= doc to retain
> > headers when creating a PDF?
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the = Google Groups
> > "pandoc-discuss" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro= m it, send an
> > email to pandoc-discus...@googlegroups.c= om.
> > To view this discussion on the web visit
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> > <https://gr= oups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8dfe-976238704547= n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter>
> > .
> >
>=20
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