Retaining headings when converting to PDF

Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[Jim]

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I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a 
screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document by 
jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and 
Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert these 
documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is defined as 
a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from the point 
of view of the screenreader.

I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and then 
create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really like to 
use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more flexibility.

Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to retain 
headers when creating a PDF?

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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[Leonard Rosenthol]

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That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either via
TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
screen reader integration.

Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using either
MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF
turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to produce
the Tagged PDF.

I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of these
paths and they each have their own pros and cons...

Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in the
TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will happen.

And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can now
produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.

Leonard

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
> screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document by
> jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
> Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert these
> documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is defined as
> a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from the point
> of view of the screenreader.
>
> I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and then
> create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really like to
> use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more flexibility.
>
> Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to retain
> headers when creating a PDF?
>
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[Håkon Wium Lie]

Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.

   http://www.princexml.com

(I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)

Håkon Wium Lie     haakon-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org    www.wiumlie.no/en

Leonard Rosenthol wrote::

 > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either via
 > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
 > screen reader integration.
 > 
 > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using either
 > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF
 > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to produce
 > the Tagged PDF.
 > 
 > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of these
 > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
 > 
 > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in the
 > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will happen.
 > 
 > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can now
 > produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
 > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
 > 
 > Leonard
 > 
 > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
 > 
 > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
 > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document by
 > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
 > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert these
 > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is defined as
 > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from the point
 > > of view of the screenreader.
 > >
 > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and then
 > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really like to
 > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more flexibility.
 > >
 > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to retain
 > > headers when creating a PDF?
 > >
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[mb21]

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There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also report 
success with ConTeXt:
https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766

On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 Håkon Wium Lie wrote:

> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.
>
> http://www.princexml.com
>
> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)
>
> Håkon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en
>
> Leonard Rosenthol wrote::
>
> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either 
> via
> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
> > screen reader integration.
> > 
> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using either
> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF
> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to 
> produce
> > the Tagged PDF.
> > 
> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of these
> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
> > 
> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in the
> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will happen.
> > 
> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can now
> > produce Tagged PDFs (
> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
> > 
> > Leonard
> > 
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document by
> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert these
> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is 
> defined as
> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from the 
> point
> > > of view of the screenreader.
> > >
> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and 
> then
> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really like 
> to
> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more 
> flexibility.
> > >
> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to 
> retain
> > > headers when creating a PDF?
> > >
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> > > To view this discussion on the web visit
> > > 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8dfe-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com
> > > <
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> > > .
> > >
> > 
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[James Benstead]

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Thank you all, that's very helpful.

mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found
that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from
my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some
headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it
produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1.

Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep an
eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged PDFs
from the command line, based on Markdown files.

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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also
> report success with ConTeXt:
> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766
>
> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
>
>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.
>>
>> http://www.princexml.com
>>
>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)
>>
>> Håkon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en
>>
>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote::
>>
>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either
>> via
>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
>> > screen reader integration.
>> >
>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using
>> either
>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF
>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to
>> produce
>> > the Tagged PDF.
>> >
>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of
>> these
>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>> >
>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in
>> the
>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will happen.
>> >
>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can
>> now
>> > produce Tagged PDFs (
>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
>> >
>> > Leonard
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document
>> by
>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert these
>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is
>> defined as
>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from the
>> point
>> > > of view of the screenreader.
>> > >
>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and
>> then
>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really
>> like to
>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more
>> flexibility.
>> > >
>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to
>> retain
>> > > headers when creating a PDF?
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> Groups
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>> send an
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>> > > To view this discussion on the web visit
>> > >
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>> > > <
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[Leonard Rosenthol]

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You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or
Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice.
Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough.

Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

> Thank you all, that's very helpful.
>
> mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found
> that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from
> my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some
> headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it
> produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1.
>
> Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep
> an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged
> PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files.
>
> --
> Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org
>
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also
>> report success with ConTeXt:
>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766
>>
>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
>>
>>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.
>>>
>>> http://www.princexml.com
>>>
>>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)
>>>
>>> Håkon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en
>>>
>>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote::
>>>
>>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either
>>> via
>>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
>>> > screen reader integration.
>>> >
>>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using
>>> either
>>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF
>>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to
>>> produce
>>> > the Tagged PDF.
>>> >
>>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of
>>> these
>>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>>> >
>>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in
>>> the
>>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will
>>> happen.
>>> >
>>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can
>>> now
>>> > produce Tagged PDFs (
>>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
>>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
>>> >
>>> > Leonard
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
>>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document
>>> by
>>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
>>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert
>>> these
>>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is
>>> defined as
>>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from
>>> the point
>>> > > of view of the screenreader.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and
>>> then
>>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really
>>> like to
>>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more
>>> flexibility.
>>> > >
>>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to
>>> retain
>>> > > headers when creating a PDF?
>>> > >
>>> > > --
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>>> > > <
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[James Benstead]

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That's useful to know. I've spent some time trying to find the commands,
but all I can find on the Word side is a command-line tool called docx2pdf.
Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, it seems to be a matter
of using a variation on soffice --convert-to?

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On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

> You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or
> Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice.
> Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough.
>
> Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder.
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all, that's very helpful.
>>
>> mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found
>> that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from
>> my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some
>> headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it
>> produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1.
>>
>> Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep
>> an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged
>> PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files.
>>
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>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also
>>> report success with ConTeXt:
>>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.princexml.com
>>>>
>>>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)
>>>>
>>>> Håkon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en
>>>>
>>>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote::
>>>>
>>>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc
>>>> (either via
>>>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for
>>>> > screen reader integration.
>>>> >
>>>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using
>>>> either
>>>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged
>>>> PDF
>>>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to
>>>> produce
>>>> > the Tagged PDF.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of
>>>> these
>>>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>>>> >
>>>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in
>>>> the
>>>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will
>>>> happen.
>>>> >
>>>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can
>>>> now
>>>> > produce Tagged PDFs (
>>>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
>>>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > Leonard
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
>>>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a
>>>> document by
>>>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and
>>>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert
>>>> these
>>>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is
>>>> defined as
>>>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from
>>>> the point
>>>> > > of view of the screenreader.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word
>>>> and then
>>>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really
>>>> like to
>>>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more
>>>> flexibility.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to
>>>> retain
>>>> > > headers when creating a PDF?
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Re: Retaining headings when converting to PDF

[Leonard Rosenthol]

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Yes, I use docx2pdf on my Mac, and `--convert-to` for LibreOffice.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:35 AM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
wrote:

> That's useful to know. I've spent some time trying to find the commands,
> but all I can find on the Word side is a command-line tool called docx2pdf.
> Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, it seems to be a matter
> of using a variation on soffice --convert-to?
>
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>
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
> wrote:
>
>> You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or
>> Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice.
>> Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough.
>>
>> Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you all, that's very helpful.
>>>
>>> mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found
>>> that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from
>>> my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some
>>> headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it
>>> produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1.
>>>
>>> Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep
>>> an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged
>>> PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also
>>>> report success with ConTeXt:
>>>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 Håkon Wium Lie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.princexml.com
>>>>>
>>>>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)
>>>>>
>>>>> Håkon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote::
>>>>>
>>>>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc
>>>>> (either via
>>>>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required
>>>>> for
>>>>> > screen reader integration.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using
>>>>> either
>>>>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged
>>>>> PDF
>>>>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to
>>>>> produce
>>>>> > the Tagged PDF.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of
>>>>> these
>>>>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work
>>>>> in the
>>>>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will
>>>>> happen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can
>>>>> now
>>>>> > produce Tagged PDFs (
>>>>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
>>>>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Leonard
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <james.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a
>>>>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a
>>>>> document by
>>>>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word
>>>>> and
>>>>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert
>>>>> these
>>>>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is
>>>>> defined as
>>>>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from
>>>>> the point
>>>>> > > of view of the screenreader.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word
>>>>> and then
>>>>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really
>>>>> like to
>>>>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more
>>>>> flexibility.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to
>>>>> retain
>>>>> > > headers when creating a PDF?
>>>>> > >
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