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On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:35 AM James Benstead wrote: > That's useful to know. I've spent some time trying to find the commands, > but all I can find on the Word side is a command-line tool called docx2pd= f. > Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, it seems to be a matter > of using a variation on soffice --convert-to? > > -- > Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org > > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol > wrote: > >> You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or >> Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice. >> Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough. >> >> Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder. >> >> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you all, that's very helpful. >>> >>> mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually foun= d >>> that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see = from >>> my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some >>> headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it >>> produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1. >>> >>> Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll kee= p >>> an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagge= d >>> PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files. >>> >>> -- >>> Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 wrote: >>> >>>> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also >>>> report success with ConTeXt: >>>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766 >>>> >>>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wro= te: >>>> >>>>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.princexml.com >>>>> >>>>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince) >>>>> >>>>> H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en >>>>> >>>>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote:: >>>>> >>>>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc >>>>> (either via >>>>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required >>>>> for >>>>> > screen reader integration. >>>>> > >>>>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using >>>>> either >>>>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged >>>>> PDF >>>>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to >>>>> produce >>>>> > the Tagged PDF. >>>>> > >>>>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of >>>>> these >>>>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons... >>>>> > >>>>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work >>>>> in the >>>>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will >>>>> happen. >>>>> > >>>>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) ca= n >>>>> now >>>>> > produce Tagged PDFs ( >>>>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/), >>>>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well. >>>>> > >>>>> > Leonard >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a >>>>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a >>>>> document by >>>>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word >>>>> and >>>>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert >>>>> these >>>>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is >>>>> defined as >>>>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from >>>>> the point >>>>> > > of view of the screenreader. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word >>>>> and then >>>>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really >>>>> like to >>>>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more >>>>> flexibility. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc t= o >>>>> retain >>>>> > > headers when creating a PDF? >>>>> > > >>>>> > > -- >>>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e >>>>> Groups >>>>> > > "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>>> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an >>>>> > > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> > > >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8= dfe-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> > > < >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8= dfe-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter= > >>>>> >>>>> > > . >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JHcqWFaAmjT= Mds%3D3kZ4tEPktwpikG-HeoqZqX8c1tR9g%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f6e14085-7e59-4772-aa= 8e-f8928661bfb7n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CANUYFegTjwmiewYk1TT6t= %3D2FB6xbve2WBWLLxZGckyhRnCq3gg%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JNcjW3O5va0K1d= uRzs%3Dgd_FxAyooTzorErBpwT88cbcw%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CANUYFeiNKVSnXD6JUUSx%3D= UiWbrCzep%3DDgfb-12KrZHz7eaZ_Ew%40mail.gmail.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Yes, I use docx2pdf on my Mac, and `--convert-to` for Libr= eOffice.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 8:35 AM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
That&#= 39;s useful to know. I've spent some time trying to find the commands, = but all I can find on the Word side is a command-line tool called docx2pdf.= Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, it seems to be a matter = of using a variation on soffice --convert-to?

--Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org


On= Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Y= ou can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or Windows= (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice.=C2=A0 Requi= res a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough.

Hakon - yes, thanks=C2=A0for the reminder.

On Sun, Aug 23, 202= 0 at 1:36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thank you all, = that's=C2=A0very helpful.

mb21: thank you for direct= ing me to the github issue. I'd actually found that independently, and = it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from my comments at the bott= om of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some headers, it doesn't all= ow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it produces a PDF it flattens all= headers to level 1.

Word seems like the best bet = for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep an eye on this, though,= as it would be great to be able to create tagged PDFs from the command lin= e, based on Markdown files.

--
Too brief? Here&= #39;s why! http://ema= ilcharter.org


On Sun, 23 Aug= 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There is also a corresponding pandoc github iss= ue, where people also report success with ConTeXt:
On= Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote:
=
Also, Prince will h= appily create tagged PDF from HTML.

http://www.princexml.com

(I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)

H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.w= iumlie.no/en

Leonard Rosenthol wrote::

> That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (e= ither via
> TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required= for
> screen reader integration.
>=20
> Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX usin= g either
> MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagge= d PDF
> turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign t= o produce
> the Tagged PDF.
>=20
> I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both o= f these
> paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>=20
> Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) wor= k in the
> TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will h= appen.
>=20
> And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) = can now
> produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.= com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
> so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as= well.
>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <jame= s.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read= with a
> > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a = document by
> > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in bo= th Word and
> > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to conv= ert these
> > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text tha= t is defined as
> > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a he= ader from the point
> > of view of the screenreader.
> >
> > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As&q= uot; from word and then
> > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I= 'd really like to
> > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more= flexibility.
> >
> > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pan= doc to retain
> > headers when creating a PDF?
> >
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