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Or perhaps point to some resources I can use online to begin answering the question? I've searched up and down the official pandoc reference but I really can't find a detailed explanation as to what the `--citeproc` flag actually *does*, and why the `nocite` key is important in the bibliographic metadata= . Regards, Amine On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 14:42, A A wrote: > In my case, nocite contains a value of "[@*]". Would you please elaborate > on what that means? > As far as I know using --citeproc or not has no impact on the final > result. I tried both variants as shown below: > > pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown -s --citeproc > pandoc .\bibliography.bib -t markdown -s > > I get the same output for either command. Both have a nocite of "[@*]". > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 14:53, John MacFarlane fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > > 'blocks' is for the body of the document. We store the reference data in >> the metadata. In this case it's all references, so no body. >> >> The 'nocite' entry causes all the references to be included in the >> bibliography if you process this with --citeproc. We include that by >> default so that you can do e.g. >> >> pandoc my.bib -s -o my.html --citeproc >> >> and get a formatted HTML bibliography with all the references. >> >> >> > On Jul 26, 2022, at 4:47 AM, A A wrote: >> > >> > Dear John, >> > Indeed, I see that there is an internal representation in the form of = a >> Meta object. I made a dummy bibliography with 4 entries. After convertin= g >> to JSON the following structure was apparent: >> > >> > { >> > "pandoc-api-version": [...], >> > "meta": { >> > "nocite": {...} >> > "references": {...} >> > }, >> > "blocks": [] >> > } >> > >> > references contains a list of MetaMapswhich contain the recognizable >> BibTeX data. blocks is empty and nocite contains some additional data wh= ich >> I don=E2=80=99t understand. >> > >> > What is the role of nocite and blocks in this AST? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Amine >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 18:01, John MacFarlane >> wrote: >> > >> > If you do `pandoc yourbib.bib -t native -s` then you'll see how pandoc >> represents bibiographies in its AST. All you need to do, then, is have >> your custom reader create this sort of structure in the metadata. >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:14 AM, A A wrote: >> > > >> > > Suppose that I would like to define my own markup format, something >> that is not currently supported by pandoc. I could in theory write my ow= n >> reader and writer in Lua, making use of pandoc's AST elements, and would >> then be able to convert to and from this new format to other recognized >> formats. >> > > >> > > I'd like to know whether the same can be said of bibliographic >> formats. Suppose I have a new one that I would like to bake into pandoc. >> Since the bibliography seems to be decoupled from the AST, what would be >> the best way to do this? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAMwawgPP62P6%3DXwLSksR= v-X11gW7p1A1%2BUhg824n5HAtE_49vw%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/04A5D7A1-B4AD-4A59-AB54= -7D5849F23ACA%40gmail.com >> . >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAMwawgOt0AE-ibyTeUv-Ov= _9pvNESyQWeqr%2BDwCjDdFQ9xHs%3DA%40mail.gmail.com >> . >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/5BC2C9A0-8D21-43E6-B00B= -99D7BC319AE4%40gmail.com >> . > > >> --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/CAMwawgOs%3DbC6eVyWqMs1ae-_334Lgzq43-OhQxGgJPWMmkCyKQ%40mail= .gmail.com. --00000000000051ecfc05e71fe8ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear John (or anyone else),

Would you p= lease respond to the query below? Or perhaps point to some resources I can = use online to begin answering the question?

I'= ve searched up and down the official pandoc reference but I really can'= t find a detailed explanation as to what the `--citeproc` flag actually *do= es*, and why the `nocite` key is important in the bibliographic metadata.

Regards,

Amine
=
On Tue= , 23 Aug 2022 at 14:42, A A <amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
<= p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1.2em">In my case, nocite contains a value of "[@*]". Would you please elaborate on what = that means?
As far as I know using --citeproc or= not has no impact on the final result. I tried both variants as shown belo= w:

pandoc .\bibliography.bi= b -t markdown -s --citeproc
pandoc .\bibliograp= hy.bib -t markdown -s

I get the same output for either command.= Both have a nocite of "[@*]&= quot;.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 14:53, John MacFar= lane fid= dlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:

'blocks' is for the body of the document. = We store the reference data in the metadata.=C2=A0 In this case it's al= l references, so no body.

The 'nocite' entry causes all the references to be included in the = bibliography if you process this with --citeproc.=C2=A0 We include that by = default so that you can do e.g.

pandoc my.bib -s -o my.html --citeproc

and get a formatted HTML bibliography with all the references.


> On Jul 26, 2022, at 4:47 AM, A A <amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >
> Dear John,
> Indeed, I see that there is an internal representation in the form of = a Meta object. I made a dummy bibliography with 4 entries. After converting= to JSON the following structure was apparent:
>
> {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"pandoc-api-version": [...],
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"meta": {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"nocite": {...}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"references":=C2=A0 {...}= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0},
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"blocks": []
> }
>
> references contains a list of MetaMapswhich contain the recognizable B= ibTeX data. blocks is empty and nocite contains some additional data which = I don=E2=80=99t understand.
>
> What is the role of nocite and blocks in this AST?
>
> Regards,
>
> Amine
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 18:01, John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrot= e:
>
> If you do `pandoc yourbib.bib -t native -s` then you'll see how pa= ndoc represents bibiographies in its AST.=C2=A0 All you need to do, then, i= s have your custom reader create this sort of structure in the metadata. >
>
>
> > On Jul 25, 2022, at 6:14 AM, A A <amine.aboufirass-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrot= e:
> >
> > Suppose that I would like to define my own markup format, somethi= ng that is not currently supported by pandoc. I could in theory write my ow= n reader and writer in Lua, making use of pandoc's AST elements, and wo= uld then be able to convert to and from this new format to other recognized= formats.
> >
> > I'd like to know whether the same can be said of bibliographi= c formats. Suppose I have a new one that I would like to bake into pandoc. = Since the bibliography seems to be decoupled from the AST, what would be th= e best way to do this?
> >
> > --
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