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  1. Bogus
' | pandoc -t html <!DOCTYPE html>
  1. Bogus
However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine: $ echo '
  1. Bogus
' | pandoc -r html -t html
  1. Bogus
On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote: > Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though th= e > outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboard is = a > complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> > > Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML > entity names: > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D =E2= =80=9C > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> > > Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil, > which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above, converting > the entity names back into angle brackets=E2=80=94which is how I got the = idea that > Pandoc had put it there. > > I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that > first line=E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alo= ne=E2=80=94but I > can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it wi= th > Pandoc, so no problem. > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > >> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments >> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case where = you >> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in H= TML >> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So normal >> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include the >> doctype. >> >> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html >>
    >>
  • Bogus
    • >>
>> >> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle >> wrote: >> >>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the >>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includes >>> these at the start of an HTML document. >>> >>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And why >>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are >>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I= 'm >>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict. >>> >>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype >>> declaration. >>> >>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates >>> >>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote: >>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The >>> HTML is on my MacOS clipboard: >>> > >>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy >>> > >>> > The output begins with >>> > >>> > >> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> >>> > >>> > and a blank line. >>> > >>> > Is it possible to turn this off? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e8eac3cc-feb6-e3af-dc9= d-d3fe0b964925%40reagle.org >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> T. Kurt Bond, tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/60674d49-1a0d-485d-ac2f-= ae6a8283dde9n%40googlegroups.com > > . > --=20 T. Kurt Bond, tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/CAN1EhV-%2BrH3p-Oj113nxCm%3DSc8M8hKk1Rjci-sXoHMOYHC6CyA%40ma= il.gmail.com. --0000000000000d3e1c05d4374955 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you don't specify an input format,= pandoc assumes markdown input, and while markdown allows literal inclusion= s of HTML elements, it apparently doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, s= o it does not consider that to be HTML, and translates the angle brackets i= nto character entities.
$ echo '<!DOCTYPE html>= <ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -t html
&lt;!DOCTYPE html&gt;
<ol>
<li>
Bogus
</li>
</ol>
However, if you= add "-r html" everything is fine:
$ echo '= <!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li></ol>' |= pandoc -r html -t html
<ol>= ;
<li>Bogus</li>
</ol>
=

<= br>

Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misrea= d the situation, though the outcome is still strange. The HTML I am startin= g with in my clipboard is a complete document with a doctype declaration. T= he first line is:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLI= C "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dt= d">

Pandoc (pandoc -t = html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML entity names:
<= br>&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C/= /DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2= =80=9D&gt;

Later on in my process, the content gets conve= rted to RTF using textutil, which removes doctype declarations but retains = the line above, converting the entity names back into angle brackets=E2=80= =94which is how I got the idea that Pandoc had put it there.

I am no= t sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that first line= =E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets in the document alone=E2=80=94b= ut I can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it= with Pandoc, so no problem.
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wro= te:
When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments r= ather than a complete document.=C2=A0 This is convenient for the case where= you are processing multiple fragments into one document.=C2=A0 (This happe= ns in HTML output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.)=C2= =A0 So normal HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does not=C2=A0include the doctype.
$ echo '* Bo= gus' | pandoc -r rst -w html
= <ul>
<li>Bogus</li= >
</ul>
This is with=C2=A0pandoc 2.16.2, installed with=C2=A0hom= ebrew.


On Tue, D= ec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...@reagl= e.org> wrote:
The doctype declaration is a standard= HTML feature and declares the version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `= --standalone` mode includes these at the start of an HTML document.

I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And = why would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are desc= ribing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I= 'm not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.

In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype dec= laration.

https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates

On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The = HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>
> pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>
> The output begins with
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2= =80=9D>
>
> and a blank line.
>
> Is it possible to turn this off?

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