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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::934]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7si1460963qki.5.2021.12.28.08.38.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Dec 2021 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::934 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::934; Original-Received: by mail-ua1-x934.google.com with SMTP id v12so21124926uar.7 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:242a:: with SMTP id l10mr6736952vsi.26.1640709491164; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6ae1c100-a3f1-4c6c-b763-3c1f2ace6dbfn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=CJap2wb0; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::934 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:29857 Archived-At: --00000000000066899405d437729f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That makes sense; remember, without -s (standalone) pandoc outputs fragments. I suspect what you need to do is specify -s while also specifying an HTML template that includes the doctype and head information that you want. If all you care about is the CSS, you might try specifying it with --css. On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:32 AM philmac-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote: > The trouble with using -r html or -f html is that this strips out the > element, so I lose the formatting. > > That is, if I apply pandoc -r html -t html+smart to this: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> > > > > > > > > > > >

Font names that have more than one wor= d =E2=80=94 > like Trebuchet MS =E2= =80=94 need to > be surrounded by quotes, for example "Trebuchet > MS".

> > > > The outcome is just: > >

Font names that have more than one word =E2=80=94 l= ike > Trebuchet MS =E2=80= =94 need to be > surrounded by quotes, for example "Trebuchet > MS".

> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org > wrote: > >> If you don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and >> while markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently >> doesn't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be >> HTML, and translates the angle brackets into character entities. >> >> $ echo '
  1. Bogus
' | pandoc -t html >> <!DOCTYPE html> >>
    >>
  1. >> Bogus >>
    2. >>
>> >> However, if you add "-r html" everything is fine: >> >> $ echo '
  1. Bogus
' | pandoc -r html -t html >>
    >>
  1. Bogus
    2. >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 11:19 AM phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the situation, though >>> the outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with in my clipboa= rd >>> is a complete document with a doctype declaration. The first line is: >>> >>> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> >>> >>> Pandoc (pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML >>> entity names: >>> >>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9C >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> >>> >>> Later on in my process, the content gets converted to RTF using >>> textutil, which removes doctype declarations but retains the line above= , >>> converting the entity names back into angle brackets=E2=80=94which is h= ow I got the >>> idea that Pandoc had put it there. >>> >>> I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle brackets in that >>> first line=E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets in the document a= lone=E2=80=94but I >>> can just remove that line from the clipboard text before processing it = with >>> Pandoc, so no problem. >>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org >>> wrote: >>> >>>> When standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments >>>> rather than a complete document. This is convenient for the case wher= e you >>>> are processing multiple fragments into one document. (This happens in= HTML >>>> output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.) So norma= l >>>> HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does *not* include >>>> the doctype. >>>> >>>> $ echo '* Bogus' | pandoc -r rst -w html >>>>
    >>>>
  • Bogus
    • >>>>
>>>> >>>> This is with pandoc 2.16.2, installed with homebrew. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The doctype declaration is a standard HTML feature and declares the >>>>> version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalone` mode includ= es >>>>> these at the start of an HTML document. >>>>> >>>>> I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And wh= y >>>>> would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are >>>>> describing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2.= I'm >>>>> not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict. >>>>> >>>>> In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a >>>>> doctype declaration. >>>>> >>>>> https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates >>>>> >>>>> On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote: >>>>> > I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. >>>>> The HTML is on my MacOS clipboard: >>>>> > >>>>> > pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy >>>>> > >>>>> > The output begins with >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D> >>>>> > >>>>> > and a blank line. >>>>> > >>>>> > Is it possible to turn this off? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, sen= d >>>>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e8eac3cc-feb6-e3af-d= c9d-d3fe0b964925%40reagle.org >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> T. Kurt Bond, tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/60674d49-1a0d-485d-ac2= f-ae6a8283dde9n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> T. Kurt Bond, tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6ae1c100-a3f1-4c6c-b763-= 3c1f2ace6dbfn%40googlegroups.com > > . > --=20 T. Kurt Bond, tkurtbond-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, https://tkurtbond.github.io --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= pandoc-discuss/CAN1EhV841GBsc-YMPiJmAdujawjQ9nRAuk7DnFfVrGzpsMgkgg%40mail.g= mail.com. --00000000000066899405d437729f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That makes sense; remember, without -s (standalone) pandoc= outputs fragments.=C2=A0 I suspect what you need to do is specify -s while= also specifying an HTML template that includes the doctype and head inform= ation that you want. If all you care about is the CSS, you might try specif= ying it with --css.

The trouble with using -f html is that this = strips out the <head> element, so I lose the formatting.

That = is, if I apply pandoc -r html -t html+smart to this:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC &quo= t;-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd&= quot;>
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=3D"= Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">
= <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Style-Type" content=3D"text= /css">
<title></title>
<meta name=3D"= Generator" content=3D"Cocoa HTML Writer">
<meta n= ame=3D"CocoaVersion" content=3D"2113">
<styl= e type=3D"text/css">
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.= 0px; font: 16.0px Arial; color: #151515; -webkit-text-stroke: #151515; back= ground-color: #d5e4ff}
span.s1 {font-kerning: none}
span.s2 {= font: 16.0px Courier; font-kerning: none; background-color: #f1f1f1}
&= lt;/style>
</head>
<body>
<p class=3D"p1&qu= ot;><span class=3D"s1">Font names that have more than on= e word =E2=80=94 like </span><span class=3D"s2">Trebu= chet MS</span><span class=3D"s1"> =E2=80=94 need to b= e surrounded by quotes, for example </span><span class=3D"s2&= quot;>"Trebuchet MS"</span><span class=3D"s1&quo= t;>.</span></p>
</body>
</html>

The outcome is just:

<p><spa= n class=3D"s1">Font names that have more than one word =E2=80= =94 like </span><span class=3D"s2">Trebuchet MS</s= pan><span class=3D"s1"> =E2=80=94 need to be surrounded = by quotes, for example </span><span class=3D"s2">&quo= t;Trebuchet MS"</span><span class=3D"s1">.</s= pan></p>

On Tues= day, December 28, 2021 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
If y= ou don't specify an input format, pandoc assumes markdown input, and wh= ile markdown allows literal inclusions of HTML elements, it apparently does= n't allow DOCTYPE declarations, so it does not consider that to be HTML= , and translates the angle brackets into character entities.
$ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><ol><li>Bogus</li= ></ol>' | pandoc -t html
&lt;!DOCTYPE html&gt;
<ol>
<li>
Bogus
</li>
</ol>
However, if you add "-r html" everyth= ing is fine:
$ echo '<!DOCTYPE html><o= l><li>Bogus</li></ol>' | pandoc -r html -t html
<ol>
<li>Bogus</li>
</ol>

Thank you for your assistance! Indeed, I misread the s= ituation, though the outcome is still strange. The HTML I am starting with = in my clipboard is a complete document with a doctype declaration. The firs= t line is:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "= ;-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4= /strict.dtd">

Pandoc (= pandoc -t html+smart) converts the angle brackets into HTML entity n= ames:

&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80= =9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/= TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2=80=9D&gt;

Later on in my proce= ss, the content gets converted to RTF using textutil, which removes doctype= declarations but retains the line above, converting the entity names back = into angle brackets=E2=80=94which is how I got the idea that Pandoc had put= it there.

I am not sure why my Pandoc command converts the angle br= ackets in that first line=E2=80=94it leaves the other angle brackets in the= document alone=E2=80=94but I can just remove that line from the clipboard = text before processing it with Pandoc, so no problem.
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 a= t 10:48:46 AM UTC-5 tkur...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
When = standalone is not specified, pandoc typically outputs fragments rather than= a complete document.=C2=A0 This is convenient for the case where you are p= rocessing multiple fragments into one document.=C2=A0 (This happens in HTML= output but also in other output; groff -ms, ConTeXt, LaTeX.)=C2=A0 So norm= al HTML output I see when I don't specify standalone does not=C2= =A0include the doctype.
$ echo '* Bogus' | = pandoc -r rst -w html
<ul><= /font>
<li>Bogus</li>=
</ul>
This is with=C2=A0pandoc 2.16.2, installed with=C2=A0homebrew.


On Tue, Dec 28, 2021= at 9:33 AM Joseph Reagle <josep...-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org&g= t; wrote:
The doctype declaration is a standard HTML featu= re and declares the version of the HTML. Pandoc, especially in `--standalon= e` mode includes these at the start of an HTML document.

I'm confused, however. You haven't specified standalone mode. (And = why would you want them removed in any case?) And the behavior you are desc= ribing doesn't correspond to recent versions -- I'm using 2.16.2. I= 'm not sure when/if pandoc last used HTML4.01 strict.

In any case, you could create your own HTML template, without a doctype dec= laration.

https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html#templates

On 21-12-27 15:04, phi...-97jfqw80gc6171pxa8y+qA@public.gmane.org wrote:
> I am using Pandoc to convert dumb quotes to smart quotes in HTML. The = HTML is on my MacOS clipboard:
>
> pbpaste | pandoc -t html+smart | pbcopy
>
> The output begins with
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC =E2=80=9C-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=9Chttp://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd=E2= =80=9D>
>
> and a blank line.
>
> Is it possible to turn this off?

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