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I'd actually found that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1. Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files. -- Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 wrote: > There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also > report success with ConTeXt: > https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766 > > On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote: > >> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML. >> >> http://www.princexml.com >> >> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince) >> >> H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en >> >> Leonard Rosenthol wrote:: >> >> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (either >> via >> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required for >> > screen reader integration. >> > >> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using >> either >> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged PDF >> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to >> produce >> > the Tagged PDF. >> > >> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of >> these >> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons... >> > >> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work in >> the >> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will happen= . >> > >> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can >> now >> > produce Tagged PDFs ( >> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/), >> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well. >> > >> > Leonard >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim wrote: >> > >> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a >> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a document >> by >> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word and >> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert thes= e >> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is >> defined as >> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from th= e >> point >> > > of view of the screenreader. >> > > >> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word and >> then >> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really >> like to >> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more >> flexibility. >> > > >> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to >> retain >> > > headers when creating a PDF? >> > > >> > > -- >> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > > "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an >> > > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8dfe= -976238704547n%40googlegroups.com >> > > < >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8dfe= -976238704547n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter> >> >> > > . >> > > >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JHcqWFaAmjTMds= %3D3kZ4tEPktwpikG-HeoqZqX8c1tR9g%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f6e14085-7e59-4772-aa8e-= f8928661bfb7n%40googlegroups.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Thank you all, that's=C2=A0very helpful.

mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actuall= y found that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can = see from my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in = some headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when i= t produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1.

Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'= ;ll keep an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create = tagged PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files.

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On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There is also a corresponding pandoc github iss= ue, where people also report success with ConTeXt:
On= Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote:
=
Also, Prince will h= appily create tagged PDF from HTML.

http://www.princexml.com

(I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)

H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.w= iumlie.no/en

Leonard Rosenthol wrote::

> That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (e= ither via
> TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required= for
> screen reader integration.
>=20
> Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX usin= g either
> MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagge= d PDF
> turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign t= o produce
> the Tagged PDF.
>=20
> I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both o= f these
> paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>=20
> Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) wor= k in the
> TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will h= appen.
>=20
> And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) = can now
> produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.= com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
> so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as= well.
>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <jame= s.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read= with a
> > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a = document by
> > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in bo= th Word and
> > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to conv= ert these
> > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text tha= t is defined as
> > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a he= ader from the point
> > of view of the screenreader.
> >
> > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As&q= uot; from word and then
> > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I= 'd really like to
> > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more= flexibility.
> >
> > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pan= doc to retain
> > headers when creating a PDF?
> >
> > --
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> > .
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