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I've spent some time trying to find the commands, but all I can find on the Word side is a command-line tool called docx2pdf. Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, it seems to be a matter of using a variation on soffice --convert-to? -- Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: > You can create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or > Windows (using the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice. > Requires a second command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough. > > Hakon - yes, thanks for the reminder. > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM James Benstead > wrote: > >> Thank you all, that's very helpful. >> >> mb21: thank you for directing me to the github issue. I'd actually found >> that independently, and it led me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see f= rom >> my comments at the bottom of the issue, while ConTeXt does add in some >> headers, it doesn't allow for any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it >> produces a PDF it flattens all headers to level 1. >> >> Word seems like the best bet for now, so I'll keep using that. I'll keep >> an eye on this, though, as it would be great to be able to create tagged >> PDFs from the command line, based on Markdown files. >> >> -- >> Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org >> >> >> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 18:26, mb21 wrote: >> >>> There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, where people also >>> report success with ConTeXt: >>> https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766 >>> >>> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrot= e: >>> >>>> Also, Prince will happily create tagged PDF from HTML. >>>> >>>> http://www.princexml.com >>>> >>>> (I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince) >>>> >>>> H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.wiumlie.no/en >>>> >>>> Leonard Rosenthol wrote:: >>>> >>>> > That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc >>>> (either via >>>> > TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required fo= r >>>> > screen reader integration. >>>> > >>>> > Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX using >>>> either >>>> > MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagged >>>> PDF >>>> > turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign to >>>> produce >>>> > the Tagged PDF. >>>> > >>>> > I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both of >>>> these >>>> > paths and they each have their own pros and cons... >>>> > >>>> > Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) work i= n >>>> the >>>> > TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will >>>> happen. >>>> > >>>> > And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) can >>>> now >>>> > produce Tagged PDFs ( >>>> https://9to5google.com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/), >>>> > so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as well. >>>> > >>>> > Leonard >>>> > >>>> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read with a >>>> > > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a >>>> document by >>>> > > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in both Word an= d >>>> > > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to convert >>>> these >>>> > > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text that is >>>> defined as >>>> > > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a header from >>>> the point >>>> > > of view of the screenreader. >>>> > > >>>> > > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As" from word >>>> and then >>>> > > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I'd really >>>> like to >>>> > > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more >>>> flexibility. >>>> > > >>>> > > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pandoc to >>>> retain >>>> > > headers when creating a PDF? >>>> > > >>>> > > -- >>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > > "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>> > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an >>>> > > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> > > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> > > >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8d= fe-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com >>>> > > < >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0eff3ef9-cd3d-4154-8d= fe-976238704547n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfooter> >>>> >>>> > > . >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JHcqWFaAmjTM= ds%3D3kZ4tEPktwpikG-HeoqZqX8c1tR9g%40mail.gmail.com. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/f6e14085-7e59-4772-aa8= e-f8928661bfb7n%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CANUYFegTjwmiewYk1TT6t%= 3D2FB6xbve2WBWLLxZGckyhRnCq3gg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CALu%3Dv3JNcjW3O5va0K1du= Rzs%3Dgd_FxAyooTzorErBpwT88cbcw%40mail.gmail.com > > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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That's useful to know. I've spent some time trying= to find the commands, but all I can find on the Word side is a command-lin= e tool called docx2pdf. Is that the right thing to use? With LibreOffice, i= t seems to be a matter of using a variation on soffice --convert-to?

=
--
Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org
<= /div>

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 01:57, Leonard Rosenthol <leonardr-bM6h3K5UM15l57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
=
You can = create them on the command line using Word, on either Mac or Windows (using= the MSOffice) - or Mac, Win or Linux using LibreOffice.=C2=A0 Requires a s= econd command, to go Word->PDF but still easy enough.

Hakon - yes, thanks=C2=A0for the reminder.

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:= 36 PM James Benstead <james.benstead-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Thank you all, that= 9;s=C2=A0very helpful.

mb21: thank you for directing me = to the github issue. I'd actually found that independently, and it led = me to try using ConTeXt. As you can see from my comments at the bottom of t= he issue, while ConTeXt does add in some headers, it doesn't allow for = any hierarchical depth: i.e., when it produces a PDF it flattens all header= s to level 1.

Word seems like the best bet for now= , so I'll keep using that. I'll keep an eye on this, though, as it = would be great to be able to create tagged PDFs from the command line, base= d on Markdown files.

--
Too brief? Here's w= hy! http://emailchart= er.org


On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 = at 18:26, mb21 <mauro.bieg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
There is also a corresponding pandoc github issue, wh= ere people also report success with ConTeXt:
https:= //github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/5409#issuecomment-678782766

On Sunda= y, August 23, 2020 at 5:51:11 PM UTC+2 H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie wrote:
=
Also, Prince will happily= create tagged PDF from HTML.

http://www.princexml.com

(I'm on the board of YesLogic, the company behind Prince)

H=C3=A5kon Wium Lie haa...-EO96REbE7qRuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org www.w= iumlie.no/en

Leonard Rosenthol wrote::

> That is because the current PDF creation processes from Pandoc (e= ither via
> TeX or HTML) cannot produce a proper Tagged PDF, that is required= for
> screen reader integration.
>=20
> Your current best bets are to produce the PDF from Word/DocX usin= g either
> MSWord or LibreOffice, with the option to create Accessible/Tagge= d PDF
> turned on or to produce ICML with Pandoc and use Adobe InDesign t= o produce
> the Tagged PDF.
>=20
> I am currently producing Tagged PDFs from Markdown through both o= f these
> paths and they each have their own pros and cons...
>=20
> Future looking, Adobe is actively working with (and funding!) wor= k in the
> TeX community produce Tagged PDFs - its a ways off, but it will h= appen.
>=20
> And Google just announced that Chrome (and one would assume CEF) = can now
> produce Tagged PDFs (https://9to5google.= com/2020/07/29/chrome-tagged-pdf/),
> so perhaps we'll find an HTML-based path to get there soon as= well.
>=20
> Leonard
>=20
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:06 AM Jim <jame= s.b...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
> > I'm producing a series of PDFs that are going to be read= with a
> > screenreader. The screenreader lets the user skip through a = document by
> > jumping to the next header. I've created documents in bo= th Word and
> > Markdown that include headers, but when I use pandoc to conv= ert these
> > documents to PDFs the headers are not included. The text tha= t is defined as
> > a header has a different visual style, but it isn't a he= ader from the point
> > of view of the screenreader.
> >
> > I am able to produce a PDF with headers if I "Save As&q= uot; from word and then
> > create a PDF using Microsoft's own PDF creation tools. I= 'd really like to
> > use pandoc for this, though, as it would offer me a ton more= flexibility.
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> > Is there a particular command I need to use in order for pan= doc to retain
> > headers when creating a PDF?
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