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On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Kolen Cheung wrote: > By the way, PageSpeed Insights > can be useful > to hunt down problems that makes your webpage slow. But don=E2=80=99t bli= ndly > follow all its advice. Some can never be fulfilled, or too compromised > depending on your need. > > On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 5:26:42 PM UTC-7, Kolen Cheung wrote: > > Oh, I don=E2=80=99t expect it to be so effective. (Perhaps that=E2=80=99s= why John Gruber >> is *the* indie blogger, and the creator of markdown.) >> >> Going back to accelerating pages in general, pandoc=E2=80=99s output is = already >> very =E2=80=9Caccelerated=E2=80=9D, meaning that it is very minimal and = static. >> >> Of course when you design a website, you will add your own js and css on >> top of pandoc=E2=80=99s output, and also add some banners / headers / et= c. >> >> The key of AMP is that they don=E2=80=99t allow js (apart from many othe= r good >> practices). So you can mimic that too. >> >> One interesting point is that if you use Google Analytics, Google Ads, >> Google Search, etc., they insert js to your page. (I don=E2=80=99t study= AMP enough >> to see how they handle this.). So do DISQUS, and Facebook/Twitter badges= , >> etc. If you googled it, people has suggested not to use the official >> provided badges but create your own static one (just an image with link)= . >> >> Another note is that if you want to include Math in your webpage, where >> pandoc can handles it well, you might want to avoid using MathJax but so= me >> other solutions. Good alternatives are the --webtex, or jgm/pandoc-tex2s= vg: >> Pandoc filter to convert math to SVG using MathJax-node=E2=80=99s tex2sv= g >> , which makes the equations >> static. >> >> On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 5:01:31 PM UTC-7, supp=E2=80=A6-ZohPw8X7yHRhl2p70BpVqQ@public.gmane.org= m wrote: >> >> On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 2:04:45 AM UTC+3, Kolen Cheung wrote: >>>> >>>> AFAIK I didn=E2=80=99t see people doing this (but I could be wrong). J= ust to >>>> point out some problems of AMP: >>>> >>>> - Daring Fireball: The Problem With AMP >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree on those considerations. 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By the way, the "cleanup" notebook in the experi= ment branch is a pure python version of the code which do not requires weav= e.

On Sat, A= pr 29, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Kolen Cheung <christian.kolen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

By the way, PageSpeed Insights can= be useful to hunt down problems that makes your webpage slow. But don=E2= =80=99t blindly follow all its advice. Some can never be fulfilled, or too = compromised depending on your need.

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at = 5:26:42 PM UTC-7, Kolen Cheung wrote:

Oh, I= don=E2=80=99t expect it to be so effective. (Perhaps that=E2=80=99s why Jo= hn Gruber is the indie blogger, and the creator of markdown.)

Going back to accelerating page= s in general, pandoc=E2=80=99s output is already very =E2=80=9Caccelerated= =E2=80=9D, meaning that it is very minimal and static.

Of course when you design a web= site, you will add your own js and css on top of pandoc=E2=80=99s output, a= nd also add some banners / headers / etc.

The key of AMP is that they don= =E2=80=99t allow js (apart from many other good practices). So you can mimi= c that too.

One interesting point is that i= f you use Google Analytics, Google Ads, Google Search, etc., they insert js= to your page. (I don=E2=80=99t study AMP enough to see how they handle thi= s.). So do DISQUS, and Facebook/Twitter badges, etc. If you googled it, peo= ple has suggested not to use the official provided badges but create your o= wn static one (just an image with link).

Another note is that if you wan= t to include Math in your webpage, where pandoc can handles it well, you mi= ght want to avoid using MathJax but some other solutions. Good alternatives= are the --webtex, or jgm/pandoc-tex2svg: Pandoc filter to convert math to SVG using MathJax-= node=E2=80=99s tex2svg, which makes the equations static.

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at = 5:01:31 PM UTC-7, supp=E2=80=A6@rcdrun.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 2:04= :45 AM UTC+3, Kolen Cheung wrote:

AFAIK I = didn=E2=80=99t see people doing this (but I could be wrong). Just to point = out some problems of AMP:

I a= gree on those considerations. Closed case for me.

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