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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7si169287wiy.2.2015.10.23.10.13.17 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fedelogy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Original-Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id fx6so39933728wic.1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.20.46 with SMTP id k14mr5494839wie.89.1445620397525; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.28.88.142 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151023165451.GC97395-jF64zX8BO08aTFSqC7bH4WZHpeb/A1Y/@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: fedelogy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fedelogy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=fedelogy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Spam-Checked-In-Group: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.text.pandoc:13781 Archived-At: --bcaec53f34eb464ed20522c8ba92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-10-23 18:54 GMT+02:00 John MacFarlane : > Let's try a regular path file on a server, see file attached: >> pandoc -o pandoc-server.epub [2]pandoc-server.md >> pandoc downloads the file and includes it in the epub. Why? >> HTML output does not include external resources by default and you can >> include them with option --self-contained. IMO epub output should work >> the same. Is it a bug or a design decision? >> > > Design decision. The idea is that EPUBs should be > self-contained electronic books that can be read on your > device even when you don't have an internet connection. > > We treat PDFs, docx, odt similarly -- all necessary > resources are downloaded and included. > > I see. But while searching the archives of this list I found somebody saying that this behaviour could be outdated now that most of ebook devices have WiFi connection (not to mention the tablets..). > In principle we could change this behavior, but a change in > the default here might break existing workflows. One > possibility would be to make this behavior sensitive to some > kind of flag. For example, if the `data-external` attribute > is set on `` element, don't include in the EPUB. > Yes, this would be nice. It would allow to still have the audio player in the EPUB while keeping the file small. Issue #2473 may be turned into this feature request? In the meanwhile, I guess that I'll use a simple link to the file. Thanks Federico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To post to this group, send email to pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/CAPjDBprbqgv%3Dc-btE1WTRJFB-gwDDnBqzCjN93HM6Af7c0_etw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --bcaec53f34eb464ed20522c8ba92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2015= -10-23 18:54 GMT+02:00 John MacFarlane <jgm-TVLZxgkOlNX2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>:
Let's try a regular path file on a server, see file attached:
= =C2=A0 pandoc -o pandoc-server.epub [2]pandoc-server.md<= br> =C2=A0 pandoc downloads the file and includes it in the epub. Why?
=C2=A0 HTML output does not include external resources by default and you c= an
=C2=A0 include them with option --self-contained. IMO epub output should wo= rk
=C2=A0 the same. Is it a bug or a design decision?

Design decision.=C2=A0 The idea is that EPUBs should be
self-contained electronic books that can be read on your
device even when you don't have an internet connection.

We treat PDFs, docx, odt similarly -- all necessary
resources are downloaded and included.


I see. But while searching the archive= s of this list I found somebody saying that this behaviour could be outdate= d now that most of ebook devices have WiFi connection (not to mention the t= ablets..).
=C2=A0
In principle we could change this behavior, but a change in
the default here might break existing workflows.=C2=A0 One
possibility would be to make this behavior sensitive to some
kind of flag.=C2=A0 For example, if the `data-external` attribute
is set on `<source>` element, don't include in the EPUB.

Yes, this wo= uld be nice. It would allow to still have the audio player in the EPUB whil= e keeping the file small. Issue #2473 may be turned into this feature reque= st?

In the meanwhile, I guess that = I'll use a simple link to the file.

Thanks
Federico

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