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From: FI Apps <ffi.appdev-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: WIP: better citation processing
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:13:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D2ED4685-A7ED-4BB4-B651-D362B2564F62@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1ee49c20-ee12-4984-abdf-e00a9e4414e6o-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>

Thank you for the filter. I wouldn’t have expected that to work. I see it’s a bit tricky to use, but it works. I wonder if it will still work when pandoc-citeproc is replaced by the new citeproc library. 

As for missing CSL features, classical citations are near the top of the list, and I’m glad to see they’ve been added to 1.0.2.

Another BibLaTeX feature I use frequently is shorthands, where the first citation introduces an abbreviation, and subsequent citations use the abbreviation instead of the author/editor name and short title. I could probably write a filter to do that, perhaps sticking the mapping from citation keys to abbreviations in the text’s YAML metadata. Knowing that your lua-mancite filter works, by running a shorthand filter in the right place I could get ibid. right as well.

One thing was a Zotero problem more than a CSL problem: it wouldn’t let me use a volume and page for a locator. They told me to use volume:page, which is fine in English, but I also write in another language in which I’ve never seen that notation.

A less common need is for a volume title in addition to the main title. I was told that this would be solved by allowing bibliography items to be hierarchical, but I don’t think that feature ever appeared. I didn’t see it mentioned among the 1.0.2 and 1.1 GitHub issues. I do see that volume-title made it into 1.0.2. Hierarchical items allow for more clever behavior like that of biblatex-chicago, which can include a book in the bibliography if a certain number of chapters in it have been cited.

> On 18 Aug 2020, at 18:59, Denis Maier <maier.de-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> For manhcite you might want to check out my filter. https://github.com/denismaier/pandoc-lua-mancite
> It's a super simple hack, but it works.
> 
> Regarding csl: what feature do you think are missing? If you take a look at the github repos you'll see that a lot has happened recently.
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-18 18:13 UTC|newest]

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2020-08-16 22:59 John MacFarlane
2020-08-17 14:55 ` OT: " Anton Shepelev
     [not found] ` <m2mu2udwo9.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-17 14:31   ` James
     [not found]     ` <6F6F5A78-7473-473E-927F-46E2382FE979-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-17 23:17       ` Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto
2020-08-18  9:58   ` Denis Maier
     [not found]     ` <360dbe5b-f1ef-17f6-32e6-8c9f85204844-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-18 15:39       ` jcr
     [not found]         ` <46e97135-ea1f-469a-898a-eb24876c0708o-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-18 16:59           ` Denis Maier
     [not found]             ` <1ee49c20-ee12-4984-abdf-e00a9e4414e6o-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-18 18:13               ` FI Apps [this message]
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2020-08-18 21:14                   ` Denis Maier
     [not found]                     ` <d59896f4-b360-9ef4-e751-d9dc912ee700-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-19  8:37                       ` FI Apps
2020-08-19 12:47               ` James P. Ascher
     [not found]                 ` <1edca1a5-bb73-42b7-a61a-b02d2a1ec5dco-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-19 13:12                   ` Denis Maier
     [not found]                     ` <5d4b596a-b3ef-744c-bbae-564e490eb598-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-19 13:37                       ` James P. Ascher
2020-08-21 19:41       ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]         ` <m2mu2nbxcv.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-22  9:33           ` Denis Maier
     [not found]             ` <865f327e-d305-4409-dd6f-1659f6a884cc-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-08 18:15               ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                 ` <m2bligt9ra.fsf-jF64zX8BO08an7k8zZ43ob9bIa4KchGshsV+eolpW18@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-09  7:51                   ` Gabriel Nützi
2020-09-09  9:10                   ` FI Apps
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2020-09-11 15:12                       ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-11 16:02                           ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]                             ` <87imckl2tg.fsf-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-11 16:24                               ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                                 ` <m2blicjn7p.fsf-jF64zX8BO08an7k8zZ43ob9bIa4KchGshsV+eolpW18@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-11 16:46                                   ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]                                     ` <87ft7ol0rq.fsf-9EawChwDxG8hFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-11 18:51                                       ` proposed --citeproc option John MacFarlane
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2020-09-12 15:56                                           ` BPJ
2020-09-11 20:31                                       ` WIP: better citation processing Denis Maier
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2020-09-11 20:58                                           ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-11 21:14                                               ` Denis Maier
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2020-09-11 21:21                                                   ` Denis Maier
2020-09-17 17:18                                                   ` John MacFarlane
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2020-09-17 17:30                                                       ` Denis Maier
     [not found]                                                         ` <m27dssjnvu.fsf@MacBook-Pro.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>
     [not found]                                                           ` <m24knwjnm5.fsf@MacBook-Pro.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>
     [not found]                                                             ` <86c0bfc6-4795-718c-5ddd-0e3ef0f91403@mailbox.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <86c0bfc6-4795-718c-5ddd-0e3ef0f91403-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2020-09-17 19:20                                                                 ` Denis Maier
2020-09-12  6:45                                               ` Denis Maier
2020-09-12  6:51                                               ` Denis Maier
2020-09-12  6:26                       ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss
2020-08-20 12:29   ` Joseph Reagle
     [not found]     ` <e94c6f9d-e6d8-099a-4bf2-7aed30476a6c-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-21 19:06       ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]         ` <m2v9hbbyyu.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-21 19:12           ` John MacFarlane
2020-08-21 21:21           ` Joseph Reagle
     [not found]             ` <91c2cfed-7211-4194-72cf-5c01abf2315c-T1oY19WcHSwdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2020-08-21 23:03               ` John MacFarlane
2021-06-16 18:14           ` Joseph
     [not found]             ` <30abf74d-df6f-4df8-aaee-a493331d4e92n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2021-06-16 19:33               ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                 ` <m24kdx38qp.fsf-jF64zX8BO0+FqBokazbCQ6OPv3vYUT2dxr7GGTnW70NeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2021-06-17 14:01                   ` Joseph Reagle
2020-09-24 16:10   ` WIP: better citation processing - nightlies now available for testing! John MacFarlane

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