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From: John MacFarlane <fiddlosopher-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Issues with Quotation Marks in Pandoc When Mixing Japanese and English Texts
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:34:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D44375EB-4058-4C5F-AF39-461B38B30EE7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a0eafdc-b4a2-4a6a-9488-d2a1c9ef8351n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>

I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown when you're working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on interword spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.

> On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi <mayfair-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Pandoc community,
> 
> I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of quotation marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.
> 
> I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reproduce these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these issues arise from my incorrect usage.
> 
> Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text
> 
> I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the input file, and "input.tex" is the output file.
> 
> $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex
> 
> input.md:
> その人は"Hello, world!"と言いました。
> 
> input.tex:
> その人は''Hello, world!{}``と言いました。
> 
> However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before and after the double quotation marks.
> 
> input.md:
> その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> 
> input.tex:
> その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> 
> 
> Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text
> 
> When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as Japanese text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this using two files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as follows:
> 
> $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=xelatex -H preamble.tex.
> 
> preamble.tex:
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> 
> \setmainfont{Georgia}
> \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> 
> 
> input.md:
> ---
> documentclass: bxjsarticle
> classoption: pandoc
> papersize: a4
> fontsize: 10pt
> ---
> 
> # はじめに
> 
> その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> 
> That person said, "Hello, world!"
> 
> <pandoc test 2023-04-10 8.47.43.png>
> 
> In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output it using $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text, and the expected output is obtained.
> 
> test.tex:
> \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=standard]{bxjsarticle}
> 
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \setmainfont{Georgia}
> \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> 
> \title{テスト}
> \begin{document}
> \maketitle
> 
> \section{はじめに}
> 
> その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> 
> That person said, ``Hello, world!''
> 
> \end{document}
> 
> <xelatex test 2023-04-10 8.46.44.png>
> 
> Shigeru Kobayashi
> 
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-10 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-09 23:53 Shigeru Kobayashi
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2023-04-10  7:40   ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-04-10 17:34   ` John MacFarlane [this message]
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2023-04-10 23:30       ` Shigeru Kobayashi
     [not found]         ` <602edc59-8983-4459-bbbb-85cee5f013b3n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-04-11  5:32           ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-04-11  5:50             ` Shigeru Kobayashi
     [not found]               ` <bad8035a-d12b-4ec2-be89-788476948a56n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-04-11 22:01                 ` BPJ
     [not found]                   ` <CADAJKhC8hggDWF93mdtd2kYhUhjuBGJ7Jk-q1qx7omm+dCsMXw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2023-04-11 22:26                     ` Shigeru Kobayashi
     [not found]                       ` <94d4f547-ec9b-44bf-9cf0-122d1eea1f02n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-04-12 17:33                         ` BPJ

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