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[185.67.36.66]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1si665472edw.3.2021.04.23.12.28.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 23 Apr 2021 12:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.67.36.66; Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE2DA2400FE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FRkpf0mFNz9rxM for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=qa9AeRwf; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=posteo.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28212 Archived-At: > I guess you use note-based styles? Yes! > Why do you have those as part of the same citation, as opposed to > putting that content in a note, with two distinct citations? The problem is that Pandoc would assign the "author in text" output method to both citations, which can result in unwanted behaviour in some cases. Maybe this doesn't apply to Org-mode. > Does it make sense to treat "suppress author" differently than other > citation variant; like, say, author-in-text (in natbib, \citet)? I just saw today something like "following Andrews' demonstration (2008),...", so yes, it can be viewed as an additional property. > Are these really the properties that should attach to the citation > items, rather than the citation overall? >From a purely technical point of view, it depends on whether two distinct citations can be placed inside a footnote. From a conceptual point of view, I would say that author suppression is "micro-context- dependant", so yes, but it is more debatable.