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[185.67.36.66]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f67si456118wmf.2.2021.05.09.12.31.29 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 09 May 2021 12:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.67.36.66; Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F9632400FD for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 21:31:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4FdZ745H5pz9rxY for ; Sun, 9 May 2021 21:31:28 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <118e8d18-ed6e-4c8f-b32d-5104b3a87ae5n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> X-Original-Sender: bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=Tm6VnpE+; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=posteo.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:28320 Archived-At: Renewing \autocite* seems to be a good approach. So please try again and reproduce your exact commands if the error persists! Le Sunday 09 May 2021 =C3=A0 12:14:40PM, Tom McLean a =C3=A9crit : > Wouldn't that method also require me to manually insert \clearname{author= } for > all the relevant citations? At least, my quick attempt didn't seem happy = with > either \newcommand{\autocite*} or \renewcomand{\autocite*} =E2=80=93 the = former > objecting because the unstarred version exists, and the latter because th= e > starred doesn't. (Though I don't rule out the possibility of an error in = the > rest of the arguments to \(re)newcommand being part of the problem...) >=20 > On Sunday, 9 May 2021 at 17:04:59 UTC+2 jcr wrote: >=20 > I meant \clearname{author} >=20 > On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 5:01:57 PM UTC+2 jcr wrote: >=20 > See the first answer to this question:=C2=A0https://tex.stackexch= ange.com/a/ > 262472/=C2=A0I don't know if exactly the same code will work with > biblatex-chicago, but it shows the general approach. You want to = make a > command to suppress printing of the author (in the linked answer,= it's > called \int@suppauth), and then invoke it at the beginning of the > starred cite commands you declare. If it's sufficient to suppress= the > author's name, that command can be \clearname{authorname}, but Ch= icago > style will substitute an editor or translator, so if the citation= s in > question have one of those, you need a more sophisticated solutio= n. >=20 > On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:43:44 PM UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org > wrote: >=20 > Hint: look for declarecitecommand and declareautocitecommand >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im > Auftrag von Tom McLean > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:40:12 > An: pandoc-discuss > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation >=20 > Thank you! I'll see if I can get anywhere before then! >=20 > On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 16:32:53 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3r1GAl8QSHYmA@public.gmane.org= h > wrote: > I can look into this on Monday. If you an earlier solution yo= u may > want to look into how the standard styles do this. > ________________________________________ > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im > Auftrag von denis...-FfwAq0itz3ofv37vnLkPlQ@public.gmane.org > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:29:39 > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > Betreff: AW: Suppressing author in citation >=20 > It has nothing to do with biber. Cite-commands are defined in > biblatex styles. (Can't check at the moment what you need to = do.) >=20 > Denis >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im > Auftrag von Tom McLean > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 16:13:50 > An: pandoc-discuss > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation >=20 > Regarding Bastien's suggestion on changing the Biber configur= ation, > can anyone tell me how to do that? I can't find anything usef= ul on > how to do so. >=20 > Denis =E2=80=93 as far as I can see autocite* doesn't seem to= be behaving > in the way described for cite* in the biblatex-chicago manual= . >=20 > On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 13:13:39 UTC+2 denis...-FfwAq0itz3r1GAl8QSHYmA@public.gmane.org= h > wrote: > Ok, IIUC this style implements the starred variants ins a som= ewhat > unusual way. See starting at p64 in the manual available at h= ttps:/ > /www.ctan.org/pkg/biblatex-chicago >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im > Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 12:39:18 > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation >=20 > biblatex-chicago (via biber) >=20 > Le Saturday 08 May 2021 =C3=A0 10:34:28AM, denis...-FfwAq0itz3rhvxM+mQhndA@public.gmane.org= ch a =C3=A9crit > : > > What's the citation style? > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > Von: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org im > Auftrag von Bastien DUMONT > > Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Mai 2021 11:02:50 > > An: pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > > Betreff: Re: Suppressing author in citation > > > > With --biblatex, pandoc outputs [-@Smith] as \autocite*{Smi= th}. > From biblatex's manual > > p. 112, "The starred variants of \autocite do not behave > differently from the regular > > ones. The asterisk is simply passed on to the backend comma= nd." > So you should probably > > change biber's configuration in order to make \autocite* a > no-author command (but I > > can't tell you more. > > > > Le Friday 07 May 2021 =C3=A0 01:53:43PM, Tom McLean a =C3= =A9crit : > > > Well at least that means it's not a really obvious mistak= e!! > > > > > > Attached are minimal versions of my md file, my bib file,= and a > pdf that shows > > > what I'm getting. > > > > > > Also attached are a shell file and tex file giving the re= st of > what I'm using > > > in case it's not a pandoc error! > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:03:53 UTC+2 gnpan wrote: > > > > > > OK, but i cannot reproduce this: citations with -@ within= a > footnote are > > > formatted correctly, i.e. only the year is shown. Maybe y= ou > could provide a > > > minimum markdown file and a bib file that give you this > problem. > > > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 20:23:03 UTC+3 thomaspa...@gmail= .com > wrote: > > > > > > Sorry if I'm not being clear =E2=80=93 that is the citati= on in the > footnote! > > > The bibliography appears correctly (including author's na= me). > > > > > > On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 19:06:34 UTC+2 gnpan wrote: > > > > > > The minus sign will remove the author name only from the > citation, > > > not the formatted bibliography. To do the latter, you wil= l need > to > > > modify your csl file to omit the author names. > > > > > > On Thursday, 6 May 2021 at 23:22:45 UTC+3 thomaspa...@gma= il.com > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi =E2=80=93 newbie here, so there's a risk that this is = a trivial > > > mistake, but I can't see for looking... > > > > > > I'm working with citations are in footnotes, and am strug= gling > > > to suppress author in the reference. > > > > > > The ones I thought were easy are in markdown document as = (for > > > example): > > > > > > [-@schillebeeckx1974; -@schillebeeckx1982; > > > -@schillebeeckx1989c] > > > > > > which are appearing in a footnote in the PDF once compile= d as: > > > > > > 3. Edward Schillebeeckx, Jezus: Het Verhaal van Een Leven= de > > > (Bloemendaal: Nelissen, 1974); Edward Schillebeeckx, > > > Gerechtigheid En Liefde: Genade En Bevrijding (Bloemendaa= l: > > > Nelissen, 1982); Edward Schillebeeckx, Mensen Als Verhaal= van > > > God (Baarn: Nelissen, 1989). > > > > > > I thought that this should be with author's name removed.= ..? > > > Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? > > > > > > I have some more complex references too, which are showin= g the > > > same problem, but these occur within an extended footnote= , > > > which I've created as a footnote in the .md file. If ther= e's > > > any tricks anyone can share on how to fix those (if diffe= rent), > > > advice welcomed! > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to t= he > Google Groups > > > "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails = from > it, send an email > > > to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit https:// > groups.google.com/d/msgid/ > > > pandoc-discuss/fb15c4e9-1753-4140-9bbe-cd8f5bbc85b6n% > 40googlegroups.com 40googlegroups.com>. > > > > > > > published in English as *The Eucharist*.[-@schillebeeckx1= 952; > -@schillebeeckx1964; -@schillebeeckx2014n; -@schillebeeckx196= 7a; > -@schillebeeckx2005] In this chapter I argue that Schillebeec= kx=E2=80=99s > work is fundamentally a work of interpretation of the sacrame= ntal > theology of Thomas Aquinas. He is concerned to recast that th= ought > from the philosophical framework that Thomas adapts from Aris= totle > into a framework shaped by phenomenology. > > > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1952, > > > title =3D {De {{Sacramentele Heilseconomie}}}, > > > author =3D {Schillebeeckx, Henricus}, > > > year =3D {1952}, > > > publisher =3D {{'T Groeit}}, > > > address =3D {{Antwerpen}} > > > } > > > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1964, > > > title =3D {Christus Sacrament van de Godsontmoeting}, > > > author =3D {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, > > > year =3D {1964}, > > > edition =3D {7de dr.}, > > > publisher =3D {{Nelissen}}, > > > address =3D {{Bilthoven}} > > > } > > > > > > @book{schillebeeckx1967a, > > > title =3D {Christus' Tegenwoordigheid in de Eucharistie}, > > > author =3D {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, > > > year =3D {1967}, > > > publisher =3D {{Nelissen}}, > > > address =3D {{Bilthoven}} > > > } > > > > > > @book{schillebeeckx2005, > > > title =3D {The {{Eucharist}}}, > > > author =3D {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, > > > year =3D {2005}, > > > edition =3D {First published 1967}, > > > publisher =3D {{Burns \& Oates}}, > > > address =3D {{London}}, > > > isbn =3D {978-0-86012-400-9}, > > > keywords =3D {Transubstantiation}, > > > lccn =3D {BX2220 .S3513 2005} > > > } > > > > > > @book{schillebeeckx2014n, > > > title =3D {Christ the Sacrament of the Encounter of {{God= }}}, > > > shorttitle =3D {Christ the {{Sacrament}}}, > > > author =3D {Schillebeeckx, Edward}, > > > year =3D {2014}, > > > edition =3D {First published 1959}, > > > publisher =3D {{Bloomsbury}}, > > > address =3D {{London}}, > > > isbn =3D {978-0-567-41723-7 978-1-4725-5834-3 978-1-4725-= 5833-6}, > > > keywords =3D {Catholic Church,Sacraments}, > > > number =3D {1}, > > > series =3D {The Collected Works of {{Edward Schillebeeckx= }}} > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop 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