Re: Divergent styling when using CSL in pandoc(?)

[Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>]

Then add title-case="title" in the relevant places.

Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 09:06:19AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
> Thank you! Removing text-case="title" on l. 312 does solve the et al. and ed.
> problems.
> 
> But then book titles (e.g., the Mumford citation in the examples I sent)
> becomes sentence case, and I need book titles to be in title case. Hmmm.
> 
> 
> Bastien Dumont schrieb am Freitag, 20. Mai 2022 um 17:50:41 UTC+2:
> 
>     Remove also text-case="title" on l. 312. As for the p./pp. issue, I don't
>     have any explanation... It may be a bug.
> 
>     Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 07:56:58AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
>     > Thank you!
>     >
>     > That's a helpful explanation. My own workflow is based on Markdown /
>     Pandoc, so
>     > that's the "right" version as far as I'm concerned. :-)
>     >
>     > I removed the attribute as you suggested, but the et al. and ed. are
>     still
>     > being capitalised in the notes (though not in the bibliography...I feel
>     like
>     > this should help, but this is my first escapade with re-writing CSL, so
>     this
>     > insight hasn't brought me any further).
>     >
>     > I have attached an .md file, a .json bibliography and a new version (19)
>     of the
>     > .csl file (that includes the change you suggested in the last version).
>     >
>     > The command I used was "pandoc CSL-Test-2.md -o CSL-Test-2-IEG-2-19.docx
>     > --citeproc --lua-filter pandoc-quotes.lua"
>     >
>     > The bibliography is specified in the YAML header.
>     >
>     > I hope I have done all this right.
>     >
>     >
>     > Bastien Dumont schrieb am Freitag, 20. Mai 2022 um 15:42:47 UTC+2:
>     >
>     > When testing your CSL file, you should be aware that Zotero and (I guess)
>     > the Visual Editor rely on citeproc-js, which is not fully compliant with
>     > the CSL specification. Sometimes, Pandoc is right against them. For
>     > instance, if I remember well, the default value for the "match" attribute
>     > is "any" in citeproc-js, although it should be "all" (as it is in
>     Pandoc).
>     > On the other hand, the specification does not define the expected
>     behaviour
>     > for all cases. The issue documented by your first screenshot is a good
>     > example of that. The "title" macro is called on l. 332 with the attribute
>     > text-case="title", but the <text> element on l. 117 included in this
>     macro
>     > has text-case="lowercase": which one should have the precedence? Unless I
>     > have missed something, the CSL specification does not define that, so
>     > Pandoc applies the attribute value set on the upper-most element and
>     > citeproc-js that of the inner-most element. Neither is wrong, so the only
>     > solution is to avoid such conflicts in your stylesheet (e.g. by removing
>     > the attribute on l. 332).
>     >
>     > As for the issue with "p./pp.", I guess that the problem is in your
>     > Markdown input, but I can't be sure. Could you provide a minimal sample
>     MD
>     > file with a stylesheet and a bibliography?
>     >
>     > Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 04:00:49AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
>     > > I have been working on creating a CSL style for the publication
>     > house-style at
>     > > my institution: I've been making progress adapting another style but am
>     > running
>     > > into a few issues that seem to only crop up when using the CSL during a
>     > > document transformation with pandoc (version 2.18, with CSL file
>     > specified in a
>     > > YAML block). In the preview for the visual editor they look OK and when
>     I
>     > > insert them via Zotero's connector into a LibreOffice / Word document
>     > they look
>     > > fine too; however, when I create the docx via pandoc there are unwanted
>     > > variations on a few points
>     > >
>     > > There are a few issues, but the format for items in collections seems
>     to
>     > be the
>     > > main one.
>     > >
>     > > Here is a screenshot of the same citation: the one on top (which
>     formats
>     > > incorrectly) was created by using pandoc. The one on the bottom (which
>     > formats
>     > > correctly) was directly inserted into the document using Zotero's
>     > functionality
>     > > in LibreOffice.
>     > > CSL-pandoc-issues.png
>     > >
>     > > The problems:
>     > > 1. et al. is capitalising
>     > > 2. (ed.) is capitalising
>     > > 3. the p./pp. contextualisation isn't working right: using pandoc, when
>     > the
>     > > locator is a single page, *the page range for the whole citation*
>     revert
>     > to a
>     > > single "p.", even when it should be plural; if the locator is more than
>     > one
>     > > page, then "pp." appears in both, as it should.
>     > >
>     > > As I said, when looking at style using the example citations in the
>     > visual
>     > > editor at for CSL ([1][1]https://editor.citationstyles.org/visualEditor
>     /),
>     > it also
>     > > looks right (as in the second cite.)
>     > >
>     > > CSL-IEG-Visual-Editor.png
>     > >
>     > > I am running into a few other challenges with working out CSL, but
>     since
>     > this
>     > > one seems to specifically relate to using pandoc (which is my main
>     > workflow, as
>     > > I write in Markdown), I thought I would ask here whether this is a
>     known
>     > issue,
>     > > whether I'm doing something wrong and whether there's a way to solve
>     > this.
>     > >
>     > > Here, for reference, is my CSL file (which is still a work in
>     progress):
>     > >
>     > > [2][2]https://pastebin.com/xefmukzw
>     > >
>     > > Thanks in advance for any help.
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>     > ---
>     > title: CSL-Test-2
>     > subtitle: Minimal CSL file
>     > author: PD Dr. John Carter Wood
>     > bibliography: /home/john/Documents/libraries/CSL-minimal-test.json
>     > csl: /home/john/Documents/csl/ieg-2-en-19.csl
>     > lang: en-GB
>     > quot-lang: da
>     > header-includes:
>     > - \usepackage{csquotes}
>     > ---
>     > # Introduction
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