Re: Divergent styling when using CSL in pandoc(?)

[Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>]

Remove also text-case="title" on l. 312. As for the p./pp. issue, I don't have any explanation... It may be a bug.

Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 07:56:58AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
> Thank you!
> 
> That's a helpful explanation. My own workflow is based on Markdown / Pandoc, so
> that's the "right" version as far as I'm concerned. :-)
> 
> I removed the attribute as you suggested, but the et al. and ed. are still
> being capitalised in the notes (though not in the bibliography...I feel like
> this should help, but this is my first escapade with re-writing CSL, so this
> insight hasn't brought me any further).
> 
> I have attached an .md file, a .json bibliography and a new version (19) of the
> .csl file (that includes the change you suggested in the last version).
> 
> The command I used was "pandoc CSL-Test-2.md -o CSL-Test-2-IEG-2-19.docx
> --citeproc --lua-filter pandoc-quotes.lua"
> 
> The bibliography is specified in the YAML header.
> 
> I hope I have done all this right.
> 
> 
> Bastien Dumont schrieb am Freitag, 20. Mai 2022 um 15:42:47 UTC+2:
> 
>     When testing your CSL file, you should be aware that Zotero and (I guess)
>     the Visual Editor rely on citeproc-js, which is not fully compliant with
>     the CSL specification. Sometimes, Pandoc is right against them. For
>     instance, if I remember well, the default value for the "match" attribute
>     is "any" in citeproc-js, although it should be "all" (as it is in Pandoc).
>     On the other hand, the specification does not define the expected behaviour
>     for all cases. The issue documented by your first screenshot is a good
>     example of that. The "title" macro is called on l. 332 with the attribute
>     text-case="title", but the <text> element on l. 117 included in this macro
>     has text-case="lowercase": which one should have the precedence? Unless I
>     have missed something, the CSL specification does not define that, so
>     Pandoc applies the attribute value set on the upper-most element and
>     citeproc-js that of the inner-most element. Neither is wrong, so the only
>     solution is to avoid such conflicts in your stylesheet (e.g. by removing
>     the attribute on l. 332).
> 
>     As for the issue with "p./pp.", I guess that the problem is in your
>     Markdown input, but I can't be sure. Could you provide a minimal sample MD
>     file with a stylesheet and a bibliography?
> 
>     Le Friday 20 May 2022 à 04:00:49AM, John Carter Wood a écrit :
>     > I have been working on creating a CSL style for the publication
>     house-style at
>     > my institution: I've been making progress adapting another style but am
>     running
>     > into a few issues that seem to only crop up when using the CSL during a
>     > document transformation with pandoc (version 2.18, with CSL file
>     specified in a
>     > YAML block). In the preview for the visual editor they look OK and when I
>     > insert them via Zotero's connector into a LibreOffice / Word document
>     they look
>     > fine too; however, when I create the docx via pandoc there are unwanted
>     > variations on a few points
>     >
>     > There are a few issues, but the format for items in collections seems to
>     be the
>     > main one.
>     >
>     > Here is a screenshot of the same citation: the one on top (which formats
>     > incorrectly) was created by using pandoc. The one on the bottom (which
>     formats
>     > correctly) was directly inserted into the document using Zotero's
>     functionality
>     > in LibreOffice.
>     > CSL-pandoc-issues.png
>     >
>     > The problems:
>     > 1. et al. is capitalising
>     > 2. (ed.) is capitalising
>     > 3. the p./pp. contextualisation isn't working right: using pandoc, when
>     the
>     > locator is a single page, *the page range for the whole citation* revert
>     to a
>     > single "p.", even when it should be plural; if the locator is more than
>     one
>     > page, then "pp." appears in both, as it should.
>     >
>     > As I said, when looking at style using the example citations in the
>     visual
>     > editor at for CSL ([1]https://editor.citationstyles.org/visualEditor/),
>     it also
>     > looks right (as in the second cite.)
>     >
>     > CSL-IEG-Visual-Editor.png
>     >
>     > I am running into a few other challenges with working out CSL, but since
>     this
>     > one seems to specifically relate to using pandoc (which is my main
>     workflow, as
>     > I write in Markdown), I thought I would ask here whether this is a known
>     issue,
>     > whether I'm doing something wrong and whether there's a way to solve
>     this.
>     >
>     > Here, for reference, is my CSL file (which is still a work in progress):
>     >
>     > [2]https://pastebin.com/xefmukzw
>     >
>     > Thanks in advance for any help.
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> ---
> title: CSL-Test-2 
> subtitle: Minimal CSL file 
> author: PD Dr. John Carter Wood
> bibliography: /home/john/Documents/libraries/CSL-minimal-test.json
> csl: /home/john/Documents/csl/ieg-2-en-19.csl
> lang: en-GB
> quot-lang: da
> header-includes:
>  - \usepackage{csquotes}
> ---
> # Introduction
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> 
> # Bibliography
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