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[185.67.36.66]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u16-20020a05651220d000b00478f1faa988si82027lfr.13.2022.05.31.05.33.20 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 31 May 2022 05:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.67.36.66; Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 050CC240108 for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:33:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4LCBWt58Gmz9rxW for ; Tue, 31 May 2022 14:33:14 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=WR+NpZFT; spf=pass (google.com: domain of bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org designates 185.67.36.66 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=posteo.net Precedence: list Mailing-list: list pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org; contact pandoc-discuss+owners-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1007024079513 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.text.pandoc:30644 Archived-At: And the sources in our favorite document format can be found here: https://= bastien-dumont.onmypc.net/git/bdumont/CSL-Clio :-) Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 =C3=A0 01:43:20PM, BPJ a =C3=A9crit : > Ah I see now that they are PDFs, however if you import them into Google D= ocs > there is a Translate menu item there too somewhere, same caveats applying= , plus > that layout formatting may become funny when you import PDF into Google D= ocs. >=20 > Tip: Not only can you import PDFs into GDocs; you can re-export to docx a= nd > process with pandoc, but it's best to unwrap any multicolumn parts in GDo= cs > first! >=20 > /bpj >=20 > Den tis 31 maj 2022 13:34BPJ <[1]bpj-J3H7GcXPSITLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org> skrev: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Den tis 31 maj 2022 11:02Bastien DUMONT <[2]bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org= > > skrev: >=20 > I have met the problem of adapting CSL to specific requirements t= oo... > Although I study History, it seems that we are facing common draw= backs. > I defined a set of conventions for the recording of bibliographic= al > entries in Zotero and wrote a sample style. You can find the styl= e and > the documentation here: [3]https://zenodo.org/communities/csl-cli= o/ > search?page=3D1&size=3D20 >=20 > I don't think that you will want to take it as is, but I hope it = could > be inspiring. It is in French, but you can retrieve the source of= the > manual and translate it automatically if you don't read this lang= uage. >=20 >=20 > In the android Chrome app (and I suppose other Chrome versions too) t= here > is a "Translate page" (or something similar, I have the Swedish versi= on! > :-) item in the =E2=8B=AE menu which will translate a page and all li= nked pages on > the fly. It's Google Translate of course so results may be funny at t= imes > but translation where one of the languages is English usually are pas= sable > for on-the-fly reading =E2=80=94 not that it will put me out of trans= lation jobs > anytime soon! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le Tuesday 31 May 2022 =C3=A0 11:29:02AM, Shane Liesegang a =C3= =A9crit : > > Here they are in a gist. > > > > [1][4]https://gist.github.com/sjml/30b1f0093e48f37408871cc142d3= dc12 > > > > My program deals a lot with ancient and theological sources and= has > very > > specific requirements for how certain citations look. I=E2=80= =99m sure at > least *some* > > of this could be done by modifying a CSL (like using =E2=80=9C= =C2=A7=E2=80=9D instead of > =E2=80=9Csec.=E2=80=9D in > > the locators), but others are around specific works (like the S= umma > Theologica) > > or types of documents (papal encyclicals), and as far as I can = tell, > CSL > > doesn=E2=80=99t have that level of conditional processing. (I a= lso speak Lua > far better > > than I do CSL. :) ) > > > > What really inspired this question was the institutional abbrev= iation > filters =E2=80=94 > > on a second citation of certain institutional sources, they sho= uld be > referred > > to by their abbreviation. But until CSL 1.1, there=E2=80=99s no= support for > short > > author names=E2=80=A6 so I track subsequent mentions, suppress = the author, > and add in > > the abbreviation after citeproc has done its work. But when I= =E2=80=99m > trying to do > > that insertion into a citation with multiple sources, you see t= he > kind of > > weirdness I do in [2]that post-filter. Would be great if I coul= d just > look for > > a Span with an attribute that maps to a citation key or somethi= ng > like that. > > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On May 31, 2022, at 10:24 AM, <[3][5]denis.m= aier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> <[4] > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[6]denis.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0No, I=E2=80=99m not interested in anything i= n particular. Just general > interest. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Von: [5][7]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <= [6][8] > pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Im Auftrag von Shane Liesegang > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022 15:43 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0An: [7][9]pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Betreff: Re: Separating multiple citations i= n generated footnote > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I haven't made the repository public yet, bu= t would be happy to > share a > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0subset -- is there anything in particular yo= u're interested in, > or just > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0general interest in citation filtering? > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 11:14 AM <[8][10]den= is.maier-NSENcxR/0n0@public.gmane.org> > wrote: > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t have a particu= lar suggestion for what you need, but I > might be > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0interested in what you already= do. could you perhaps share > your > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filters ? > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best, > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Denis > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Von: [9][11]pandoc-discuss@goo= glegroups.com <[10] > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[12]pandoc-discuss@googlegroup= s.com> Im Auftrag von Shane > Liesegang > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gesendet: Montag, 30. Mai 2022= 09:07 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0An: pandoc-discuss <[11][13]pa= ndoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Betreff: Separating multiple c= itations in generated footnote > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My institution has a few speci= fic citation style requirements > that > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stray from the standard Chicag= o Style. The changes are mostly > around > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0specific works, so it's diffic= ult-to-impossible to meet the > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requirements by making a new C= SL. > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0For the most part I'm able to = handle it with Lua filters. I > intercept > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the citation reference both be= fore and after --citeproc runs > and make > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0whatever changes I need to; th= is might entail changing the > style to > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SuppressAuthor, making some ca= pitalization/punctuation > changes, etc. In > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0general this works well, but w= here it gets difficult is if a > single > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cite element contains multiple= citations. In that case, > looking at the > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0generated footnote, there's no= hard indicator of which > portion came > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0from which citation. I've got = something working based on > scanning for > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semicolons, but I worry that's= a little bit fragile and will > probably > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0break on certain sets of refer= ence data. > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Is there any good way of mappi= ng portions of the footnote to > citation > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0keys? I was thinking to wrap t= hem in a span with some custom > metadata, > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0but I can only see the citatio= ns either before --citeproc > (when the > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0footnote doesn't exist yet) or= after (when the multiple > citations have > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0already combined). 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