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At =C2=A715.50 (2017 edition) it gives the followin= g example: Google. 2016. "Privacy Policy." Privacy & Terms. Last modified March 25, 20= 16.=20 http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/. The same paragraph states: =E2=80=9CChicago requires an access date in cita= tions of websites and other sources consulted online only if no date of pub= lication or revision can be determined from the source=E2=80=9D. But you can modify the stylesheet according to your desiderata if you don't= care about following the CMS. Le Thursday 22 September 2022 =C3=A0 11:35:32PM, Antonio Piccolboni a =C3= =A9crit : > Thanks, what I see in my case is that urldate is ignored if either year = or > date field are present. Year or date are mandatory or the key contains th= e > letters n.d. I still find seeing the year twice redundant and not consist= ent > with how other entry types @book or @article display.=20 >=20 > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 11:26:11 PM UTC-7 Bastien Dumont wrote= : >=20 > Here is a sample I got by exporting an item from Zotero and convertin= g the > CSL JSON file to BibLaTeX via Pandoc: >=20 > @online{PageWebSimple, > author =3D {Author, First Name}, > title =3D {Title of the Web Page}, > date =3D {2000-10-20}, > urldate =3D {2019-07-20}, > url =3D {[1]http://placeholder.url} > } >=20 > Le Thursday 22 September 2022 =C3=A0 03:03:21PM, Antonio Piccolboni a= =C3=A9crit : > > In what field am I suppose to enter that "June 8, 2021"? I tried ye= ar and > > urldate. The former is repeated twice verbatim, the latter ignored. > Thanks > > On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 1:45:43 PM UTC-7 Bastien Dumont = wrote: > > > > Or to write a Lua filter, of course! > > > > Le Thursday 22 September 2022 =C3=A0 08:44:17PM, Bastien DUMONT a = =C3=A9crit : > > > This is because the group ending with a dot contains the author-y= ear > form > > of the reference with the year only, whereas the second date is par= t of > the > > full reference and would contain the full date if it were provided.= The > > solution is to provide more information in order to get an output l= ike > this > > one: > > > > > > Doe, John. 2021. =E2=80=9CA DSL That Is Concise and Fun.=E2=80=9D= Twitter. June 8, > 2021. > > [1][2]https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.co= m/ > scalding. > > > > > > Le Thursday 22 September 2022 =C3=A0 12:49:11PM, John MacFarlane = a =C3=A9crit : > > > > the CSL has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I think the first date is coming from the "date" macro, whi= le the > > second is coming from "access," which for web_page uses "issued" da= te. > > > > > > > > I don't know if this is a bug in the style or if there's some > subtlety > > that's wrong in pandoc's CSL processing. Maybe a CSL expert can chi= me in > > here? Or try using Zotero with chicago-author-date.csl to see what = it > does. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 22, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Antonio Piccolboni < > picc...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I am producing pdf and epub from markdown. The bibliograp= hy is > in > > biblatex. There is a problem with @online items in that the year is > > repeated twice in the output, be it pdf or epub. This is an entry: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @online{scalding, > > > > > title=3D{A DSL that is concise and fun}, > > > > > url=3D{[2][3]https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https= :// > > [4]twitter.com/scalding}, > > > > > year=3D{2021} > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > And this is the result: > > > > > > > > > > =E2=80=9CA DSL That Is Concise and Fun.=E2=80=9D 2021. 2021. = [3]https:// > > [5]web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scalding. > > > > > > > > > > I am using the options --citeproc --bibliography biblio.bibla= tex > > > > > > > > > > Other item types look just fine. > > > > > Any suggestions? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the G= oogle > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from= it, > > send an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit [4][6]https:// > groups.google.com > > /d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > > 826a8e3a-24ed-407d-bc2b-8320ac9a75e0n%[7]40googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo= gle > > Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i= t, > send > > an email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > > To view this discussion on the web visit [5][8]https:// > groups.google.com/d > > /msgid/pandoc-discuss/B3269C33-2E6B-403C-BC73-4139FC900699%[9]40gma= il.com > . > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e > Groups > > "pandoc-discuss" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,= send > an > > email to pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > > To view this discussion on the web visit [6][10]https:// > groups.google.com/d/ > > msgid/pandoc-discuss/YyzJIbTFWQuWhF0R%40localhost. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google = Groups > > "pandoc-discuss" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s= end an > email > > to [7]pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > > To view this discussion on the web visit [8][11]https://groups.goog= le.com > /d/msgid/ > > pandoc-discuss/6300be55-0355-4427-9e48-730a1656ffc9n%[12] > 40googlegroups.com. > > > > References: > > > > [1] [13]https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.= com/ > scalding > > [2] [14]https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.= com/ > scalding > > [3] [15]https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.= com/ > scalding > > [4] [16]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > 826a8e3a-24ed-407d-bc2b-8320ac9a75e0n%40googlegroups.com > > [5] [17]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > B3269C33-2E6B-403C-BC73-4139FC900699%40gmail.com > > [6] [18]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > YyzJIbTFWQuWhF0R%40localhost > > [7] mailto:pandoc-discus...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > > [8] [19]https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/ > 6300be55-0355-4427-9e48-730a1656ffc9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium= =3Demail& > utm_source=3Dfooter >=20 >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email > to [20]pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit [21]https://groups.google.com/d/= msgid/ > pandoc-discuss/568b34c1-c26d-4e14-8c7c-6c503d7a34een%40googlegroups.com. >=20 > References: >=20 > [1] http://placeholder.url/ > [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scaldi= ng > [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https:// > [4] http://twitter.com/scalding > [5] http://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scaldin= g > [6] https://groups.google.com/ > [7] http://40googlegroups.com/ > [8] https://groups.google.com/d > [9] http://40gmail.com/ > [10] https://groups.google.com/d/ > [11] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ > [12] http://40googlegroups.com/ > [13] https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scald= ing > [14] https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scald= ing > [15] https://web.archive.org/web/20211216060806/https://twitter.com/scald= ing > [16] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/826a8e3a-24ed-407d-= bc2b-8320ac9a75e0n%40googlegroups.com > [17] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/B3269C33-2E6B-403C-= BC73-4139FC900699%40gmail.com > [18] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/YyzJIbTFWQuWhF0R%40= localhost > [19] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/6300be55-0355-4427-= 9e48-730a1656ffc9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfoote= r > [20] mailto:pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org > [21] https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/568b34c1-c26d-4e14-= 8c7c-6c503d7a34een%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dfoote= r --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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