Re: reference grammar (was: unknown)

[Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>]

Using both LaTeX and ConTeXt, I find that ConTeXt is worth the learning curve if you have specific typographic requirements. A good starting point is the “Not so short introduction to ConTeXt”, and then you can explore the various manuals and the wiki. However, a lot of commands are rather badly documented, so you will have to do experiments with them and read the source code. The mailing list and its archive are a good source of information too.

Regarding sorting, you may be interested in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/definesorting. It is possible to add a language in the sorters.definitions Lua table via \directlua after https://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/sort-lan.lua (I just wrote a simple example, you can contact me privately if you are interested).

Le Sunday 28 May 2023 à 12:27:17PM, BPJ a écrit :
> First of all apologies for forgetting to put a subject on my original post!
> 
> Den fre 26 maj 2023 00:20Rik <[1]amphiboly-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> skrev:
> 
>     On 2023-05-25 09:52, BPJ wrote:
>     > (Apologies to those who get cross-posts of this — I hope to reach as
>     > many as possible, and believe that there may be people here who have
>     > relevant experience.)
>     >
>     > Hello everyone,
>     >
>     > I'm looking for advice from people who have used LaTeX, preferably
>     > XeLaTeX but LuaLaTeX is interesting too,[1] to write a (“traditional”)
>     > reference grammar (or even better an historical reference grammar), and
>     > if so have you anything to share — code or pointers or examples? I will
>     > almost certainly mesh LaTeX and Pandoc so experiences from handling the
>     > issues mentioned below in that context are very welcome.
>     >
>     > I have tried to find something on CTAN but have come up empty handed,
>     > and googling “write [natural language] reference grammar with LaTeX” has
>     > proved useless.
>     >
>     > The first feature I will need is section numbers — “§ 42” style — which
>     are
>     >
>     > -   in the left margin against a paragraph;
>     > -   possible to reference with links in the PDF;
>     > -   preferably using a label since the actual numbers may be subject to
>     > change when adding/moving around parts;
>     > -   with running § numbers (of first § on left page and (preferably)
>     > last § on right page) in the page headers;
>     > -   independent of chapter/heading structure: a § number/label stands
>     > against a paragraph rather than a heading, and naturally a paragraph may
>     > or may not have one;
>     > -   possibile to have indices — index rerum and index verborum for
>     > multiple languages — referring to § numbers rather than pages.
>     >
>     > So I think that more generally this is about
>     >
>     > -   custom label/reference categories;
>     > -   custom counters;
>     > -   getting things into the (left) margin flush with the top of a
>     paragraph;
>     > -   getting custom things (involving counters) into page headers;
>     > -   custom index formats, specifically indices referencing other numbers
>     > than page numbers.[2]
>     >
>     > I fully expect to have to set up most of this myself, and am willing to
>     > write external scripts to deal with aspects of it — preferred language
>     > Perl (which I have been using since the mid nineties) and I’m able and
>     > willing to use PerlTeX if convenient, since I’m a far better Perl than
>     > TeX programmer, although getting a grip on LaTeX solutions would be
>     > wonderful! :-) I also have Lua experience but as I'm using above-ASCII
>     > Unicode a lot Lua may be less useful. FWIW I have a good grip on how to
>     > do Unicode-aware/custom-order sorting in Perl and I have even written
>     > (slow) code to do Unicode-aware/custom-order sorting in Lua.
>     >
>     > [1] This involves needing to use system fonts and Unicode/UTF-8 encoded
>     > text using multiple scripts. Mostly Latin, IPA, Greek and some Cyrillic,
>     > but using some “exotic” Latin letters and combining marks.
>     >
>     > [2] This looks relevant: <[2]https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/63674/93534
>     > <[3]https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/63674/93534>>.  Using memoir seems to
>     > be a good idea anyway.
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>     I believe that ConTeXt can handle all of these requirements. Refer to
>     \definelabel and related for the first three requirements,
>     \definemarking and related for the next, and register subentries for the
>     last (see [8]https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context-wvrSQK3plZs@public.gmane.org/msg74028.html)
>     for more on that.
> 
> 
> That looks promising, if it is worth the learning curve since there are a
> number of LaTeX packages which I already rely on which may not have a ready
> ConTeXt equivalent. How hard would it be to define a sort order for a new
> script, perhaps wholly or partly located in the/a PUA?
> 
> 
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