Re: Single and double quotes in Context with British English

[Bastien DUMONT <bastien.dumont-VwIFZPTo/vqsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>]

Yes, you're right.

One of the Lua filters in the official repo replaces the Quoted elements with typographic quotes. Since the transformation is performed on the AST, it will apply to all output formats. https://github.com/pandoc/lua-filters/tree/master/pandoc-quotes.lua

In your case, you would just have to write in your YAML block:

lang: en-GB
quot-lang: en-US

Le Thursday 03 August 2023 à 02:46:58AM, Thomas Hodgson a écrit :
> Thanks everybody. I understand better how this works.
> 
> The thing I still find awkward is that I can treat the quotes as semantic
> markup only for some output formats. It works that way for Context. And for
> LaTeX with csquotes, and HTML with q tags (and custom CSS). But for LaTeX
> without csquotes, html without q tags, or ODT (for example) a double quote in
> my source is a double quote in my output and no language setting will change
> it. For example, with LaTeX:
> 
> 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> `foo'
> "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> ``bar''
> 
> On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 22:26:53 UTC+2 Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
> 
>     On 8/2/23 20:54, Thomas Hodgson wrote:
>     > Correct me if I'm wrong, but here is how I think it works now:
>     >
>     > 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> \quote{foo}
>     > "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> \quotation{bar}
>     >
>     > My suggestion is that if the language is British (and maybe for some
>     > other varieties, I haven't checked) the result should be:
>     >
>     > 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> \quotation{foo}
>     > "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> \quote{bar}
>     >
>     > That would avoid my problem.
> 
>     After having using ConTeXt for more than a decade (mainly without
>     pandoc), I think this is an issue with ConTeXt, not with pandoc.
> 
>     Quotes or quotation marks aren’t set in stone. I mean, for Spanish and
>     any language with diacritical marks I would never use these “quotes”,
>     but these «ones» (either single or double). They don’t interfere with
>     the marks (such as “ñandú” and «ñandú»).
> 
>     I’m not a native speaker and I’m mainly exposed to US English. If
>     British English uses double quotes for \quotation and single quotes for
>     \quote, you could do the following:
> 
>     Either you suggest to change the default in ConTeXt itself, or you place
>     a file that includes the following in your local tree:
> 
>     \setuplanguage[en-gb][
>     leftquotation=“,
>     rightquotation=”,
>     leftquote=‘,
>     rightquote=’,
>     ]
> 
>     I don’t have myself TeX Live installed (I use a pure ConTeXt
>     distribution) and in my case the file is
>     "$HOME/texmf/texmf-local/cont-loc.mkxl".
> 
>     If you are on Windows, it would read
>     "%USERPROFILE%/texmf/texmf-local/cont-loc.mkxl".
> 
>     After creating the file and saving the contents, it might be wise to
>     clean the cache and generate it again.
> 
>     "mtxrun --scripts cache --erase && mtxrun --generate" does this in part.
> 
>     After that, the next compilation would take longer, since it will have
>     to create the format file (required by ConTeXt).
> 
>     Just in case it helps,
> 
>     Pablo
> 
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