Re: Single and double quotes in Context with British English

[Thomas Hodgson <thomas.hodgson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>]

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Thanks! Yes, that solves my problem with writing to ODT etc.

On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:16:58 UTC+2 Bastien DUMONT wrote:

> Yes, you're right.
>
> One of the Lua filters in the official repo replaces the Quoted elements 
> with typographic quotes. Since the transformation is performed on the AST, 
> it will apply to all output formats. 
> https://github.com/pandoc/lua-filters/tree/master/pandoc-quotes.lua
>
> In your case, you would just have to write in your YAML block:
>
> lang: en-GB
> quot-lang: en-US
>
> Le Thursday 03 August 2023 à 02:46:58AM, Thomas Hodgson a écrit :
> > Thanks everybody. I understand better how this works.
> > 
> > The thing I still find awkward is that I can treat the quotes as semantic
> > markup only for some output formats. It works that way for Context. And 
> for
> > LaTeX with csquotes, and HTML with q tags (and custom CSS). But for LaTeX
> > without csquotes, html without q tags, or ODT (for example) a double 
> quote in
> > my source is a double quote in my output and no language setting will 
> change
> > it. For example, with LaTeX:
> > 
> > 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> `foo'
> > "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> ``bar''
> > 
> > On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 22:26:53 UTC+2 Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
> > 
> > On 8/2/23 20:54, Thomas Hodgson wrote:
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but here is how I think it works now:
> > >
> > > 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> \quote{foo}
> > > "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> \quotation{bar}
> > >
> > > My suggestion is that if the language is British (and maybe for some
> > > other varieties, I haven't checked) the result should be:
> > >
> > > 'foo' -> Quoted SingleQuote [ Str "foo" ] -> \quotation{foo}
> > > "bar" -> Quoted DoubleQuote [ Str "bar" ] -> \quote{bar}
> > >
> > > That would avoid my problem.
> > 
> > After having using ConTeXt for more than a decade (mainly without
> > pandoc), I think this is an issue with ConTeXt, not with pandoc.
> > 
> > Quotes or quotation marks aren’t set in stone. I mean, for Spanish and
> > any language with diacritical marks I would never use these “quotes”,
> > but these «ones» (either single or double). They don’t interfere with
> > the marks (such as “ñandú” and «ñandú»).
> > 
> > I’m not a native speaker and I’m mainly exposed to US English. If
> > British English uses double quotes for \quotation and single quotes for
> > \quote, you could do the following:
> > 
> > Either you suggest to change the default in ConTeXt itself, or you place
> > a file that includes the following in your local tree:
> > 
> > \setuplanguage[en-gb][
> > leftquotation=“,
> > rightquotation=”,
> > leftquote=‘,
> > rightquote=’,
> > ]
> > 
> > I don’t have myself TeX Live installed (I use a pure ConTeXt
> > distribution) and in my case the file is
> > "$HOME/texmf/texmf-local/cont-loc.mkxl".
> > 
> > If you are on Windows, it would read
> > "%USERPROFILE%/texmf/texmf-local/cont-loc.mkxl".
> > 
> > After creating the file and saving the contents, it might be wise to
> > clean the cache and generate it again.
> > 
> > "mtxrun --scripts cache --erase && mtxrun --generate" does this in part.
> > 
> > After that, the next compilation would take longer, since it will have
> > to create the format file (required by ConTeXt).
> > 
> > Just in case it helps,
> > 
> > Pablo
> > 
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