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From: Thomas Hodgson <thomas.hodgson-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Single and double quotes in Context with British English
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 10:57:11 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1f39c5a-624a-48d7-af9a-d4b7dd66f3bbn@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a416671d-1c67-4f4b-97c4-24b18e440466n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>


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I wonder whether it would be feasible/desirable for the Context writer to 
change its mapping from DoubleQuote/SingleQuote to `\quotation`/`\quote` 
based on the language of the document? (And the same for 
`\enquote`/`\enquote*` for LaTeX.)

On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 18:27:38 UTC+2 Thomas Hodgson wrote:

> Thank you.
>
> I tried this (included in my header) and I get the result I want visually 
> in the PDF:
>
> ```
> \setuplanguage[en-gb][
>   leftquotation=“,
>   rightquotation=”,
>   leftquote=‘,
>   rightquote=’,
> ]
> ```
>
> On Wednesday, 2 August 2023 at 16:55:36 UTC+2 Bastien DUMONT wrote:
>
>> As you saw in the ConTeXt outputs, whatever language you set in the 
>> metadata, Pandoc will always identify double quotes as primary quotes and 
>> single quotes as secondary quotes. How they are rendered in PDF depends on 
>> ConTeXt. To alter the rendering of British English, you will need to use 
>> the macro \setuplanguage (
>> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setuplanguage). 
>>
>> Le Wednesday 02 August 2023 à 07:10:40AM, Thomas Hodgson a écrit : 
>> > When I have a markdown file like this: 
>> > 
>> > ``` 
>> > 'foo' 
>> > "bar" 
>> > ``` 
>> > 
>> > The result of `pandoc --to=context foo.md` is `\quote{foo} 
>> \quotation{bar}`. 
>> > The result of `pandoc --to=context --output=foo.pdf foo.md` is what I 
>> would 
>> > expect: single quotes around 'foo' and double quotes around 'bar'. The 
>> output 
>> > of `pandoc --metadata=lang:en-GB --to=context foo.md` is the same. But, 
>> the 
>> > output of `pandoc --metadata=lang:en-GB --to=context --output=foo.pdf 
>> foo.md` 
>> > has double quotes around 'foo' and single quotes around 'bar'. 
>> > 
>> > I could solve this by using double quotes where I want single, and vice 
>> versa. 
>> > But that will give the wrong result for HTML from the same source. 
>> Also, I'm 
>> > sure that I would forget half the time. 
>> > 
>> > I assume that this happens because Pandoc treats the double quote as 
>> the 'top' 
>> > level of quotes, which in US English is a double quote and in UK 
>> English (in 
>> > this case, confusingly) is a single quote. I don't think it's a bug, 
>> therefore. 
>> > 
>> > I think that the same thing happens with csquotes and LaTeX. But there 
>> I don't 
>> > turn on csquotes. 
>> > 
>> > Is there some way to get the behaviour I want while still using British 
>> > English? 
>> > 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-02 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-02 14:10 Thomas Hodgson
     [not found] ` <6bf5b865-b98a-4eab-ac15-9ca58d38e6cfn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-02 14:55   ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-08-02 16:27     ` Thomas Hodgson
     [not found]       ` <a416671d-1c67-4f4b-97c4-24b18e440466n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-02 17:57         ` Thomas Hodgson [this message]
     [not found]           ` <a1f39c5a-624a-48d7-af9a-d4b7dd66f3bbn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-02 18:19             ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-08-02 18:54               ` Thomas Hodgson
     [not found]                 ` <1513fe42-80ad-4acd-bb53-85a04ed52a7cn-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-02 19:23                   ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-08-02 20:26                   ` Pablo Rodríguez
     [not found]                     ` <8e63fe5e-de8b-1bdb-27d7-60fab49f2b7b-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-03  9:46                       ` Thomas Hodgson
     [not found]                         ` <d9bcf5be-c7f3-4225-ab9e-0d4cdc8de1e6n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-03 10:16                           ` Bastien DUMONT
2023-08-03 14:23                             ` Thomas Hodgson
2023-08-02 19:33             ` BPJ
2023-08-02 17:50   ` Pablo Rodríguez
     [not found]     ` <fc349c18-6989-67be-6a64-e701b4a06d16-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2023-08-02 18:54       ` Thomas Hodgson

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