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Sounds great! > Multiple bibliographies is also simple IF it's just > a matter of separating items out of a formatted bibliography > into several separate ones.=C2=A0 But if it's going to affect > things like disambiguation then it would be trickier. As outlined on the github issue, I think a simple solution could be=20 allowing multiple bibliographies, each with filters applied that either=20 exclude or include specific items based on different criteria. Denis Maier writes: >> Am 11.09.2020 um 18:46 schrieb Albert Krewinkel: >>> John MacFarlane writes: >>> >>>> It would be good to get clear on this. We could expose >>>> a --citeproc and require it to be used to process citations. >>>> That would also give control of order; it could be treated as >>>> a built-in filter. So maybe it's the thing to do -- but I did >>>> like the idea of doing it automatically. >>> I agree, that's much nicer. Would an additional `--no-citeproc` >>> option make sense? It could suppress the automatic run. >>> >>>> It should be pretty straightforward to expose this to Lua >>>> filters. (But again, I'd be curious to hear why calling >>>> manually from Lua filters would be needed.) At heart it's just a >>>> Pandoc -> m Pandoc transformation in PandocMonad. >>> Indeed, that should be really easy then. :) >>> >>> Lua filters which call out to pandoc-citeproc, or which rely on a >>> special filter order: >>> >>> - cito: allows to add information about the semantic relation of the >>> cited work to the current document. Plugs into the citation syntax = and >>> requires citation IDs to be rewritten before pandoc-citeproc is >>> called. >>> >>> - section-refs: adds "References" for all first level sections; creates >>> temporary documents from sections, then calls `pandoc-citeproc` on >>> the temporary docs. >>> >>> - multiple-bibliographies: allows to partition references into >>> categories; implementation is similar to section-refs. >> Adding a `-citeproc` option would be a good option. >> But that aside, I think that these particular filters (or replacements >> thereof) could/should be included in the new citeproc library. >> >>> -- >>> Albert Krewinkel >>> GPG: 8eed e3e2 e8c5 6f18 81fe e836 388d c0b2 1f63 1124 >>> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "pandoc-discuss" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org >> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg= id/pandoc-discuss/1adfb0c1-d745-a6dc-bf14-f790e3f1280f%40mailbox.org. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Am 11.09.2020 um 22:58 schrieb John MacFarlane:
Yes, we could definitely consider adding support for
these things at a later date.

By-section citations would actually be pretty easy.
Sounds great!

Multiple bibliographies is also simple IF it's just
a matter of separating items out of a formatted bibliography
into several separate ones.=C2=A0 But if it's going to affect
things like disambiguation then it would be trickier.
As outlined on the github issue, I think a simple solution could be allowing multiple bibliographies, each with filters applied that either exclude or include specific items based on different criteria.

Denis Maier <denis.maier.lists-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> writes: 

      

        
Am 11.09.2020 um 18:46 schri=
eb Albert Krewinkel:


        

          
John MacFarlane writes:



          

            
It would be good to get =
clear on this.  We could expose
a --citeproc and require it to be used to process citations.
That would also give control of order; it could be treated as
a built-in filter.  So maybe it's the thing to do -- but I did
like the idea of doing it automatically.


          

          
I agree, that's much nicer. Would an additional `--no-citeproc`
option make sense? It could suppress the automatic run.



          

            
It should be pretty stra=
ightforward to expose this to Lua
filters.  (But again, I'd be curious to hear why calling
manually from Lua filters would be needed.) At heart it's just a
Pandoc -> m Pandoc transformation in PandocMonad.


          

          
Indeed, that should be really easy then. :)

Lua filters which call out to pandoc-citeproc, or which rely on a
special filter order:

- cito: allows to add information about the semantic relation of the
   cited work to the current document. Plugs into the citation syntax and
   requires citation IDs to be rewritten before pandoc-citeproc is
   called.

- section-refs: adds "References" for all first level sections; creates
   temporary documents from sections, then calls `pandoc-citeproc` on
   the temporary docs.

- multiple-bibliographies: allows to partition references into
   categories; implementation is similar to section-refs.


        

        
Adding a `-citeproc` option would be a good option.
But that aside, I think that these particular filters (or replacements=20
thereof) could/should be included in the new citeproc library.



        

          
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