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From: JM Marcastel <jm-hh8AyDY1G20S+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: Designing Logo of Pandoc
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 01:42:37 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
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Is there a need for a logo? I appreciate John’s pragmatism, as often seen — 
this is not flattery. I, as a starter, plunged into the logo design topic 
forgetting, perhaps, its very purpose. Let's take a moment to reflect on 
that.

A logo is not here to provide graphical components and a favicon for 
websites and other documentation; though obviously it can be used for that.

The primary purpose of a logo is to uniquely identify “at first glance” the 
brand it represents. Its prime characteristics are that it must be succinct 
and efficient.

Now consider the world “pandoc”. It is succinct (2 syllables) and efficient 
(the word says it all about the software).

In effect “Pandoc” has become a brand of a widely used tool which sets the 
standard of the software niche it has created.

Pandoc adheres to the UNIX  philosophy: do one thing and do it well. This 
further enhances the quality — one could say the “robustness”, of the brand.

Don’t get me wrong here. Pandoc is a complex beast with a myriad 
capabilities. But from a user perspective it is “dead simple”. And that is 
the distinguishing factor of the “Pandoc” brand.

Pandoc, the  brand, is well established in the community and has been for 
over a decade now.

So, what distinguishing factor would a graphical component -- i.e. a logo, 
add to the brand ? Well I must admit after long meditation on the topic: 
none.

Consider the logos of companies like Coca Cola, Ford, IBM, Oracle. The logo 
is the brand’s name. The brand name (and its colour) allow you to 
immediately identify that brand.

Adding a graphical component to the “Pandoc” brand will not significantly 
enhance its visibility, will not make it gain more “market share”, will not 
further extend/enhance the “core business” of the Pandoc software, … 
 (because that is what PR is about).

And speaking of PR, one could even argue that a logo is not a good idea. In 
an all visual world, often with little content, "good old Pandoc, says 
little but gets the job done". And to be a little sarcastic, consider those 
legions of Javascript frameworks that have appeared in this decade and 
almost immediately disappeared... they had wonderful and ever so promising 
websites, logos, etc. whilst their implementation remained beta or even 
pre-beta.... where are they now?

Does that mean that all the discussions made in this thread should be 
trashed? No. Imagery to document Pandoc on various media is necessary. 
Obviously. Be it in print or digital.

Such imagery is necessary to create consistency and further enforce the 
brand’s “robustness”.  A favicon, a graphical representation to beautify 
documents and blogs, a symbol to use in workflows and engineering diagrams, 
etc.. all are needed. But they should probably not be called a logo, least 
“the Pandoc logo”.  They should simply be part of a standard visual 
statement designed specifically for Pandoc.

(Remember that the colour codes are as important — if not more, than the 
graphical representation. All components of the visual statement must 
adhere to the “official” colour set. Think of Coca Cola’s red or McDonalds 
yellow :-)

As food for thought, consider AWS (Amazon web services). The words "AWS" 
and "Amazon", like "Pandoc", reflect the quality and value of the 
associated products. Amazon has created (and actively maintains) a unique 
and distinguishing stencil set for engineering purposes 
(https://aws.amazon.com/architecture/icons/). This is, in my (modified) 
opinion, what this thread should about. Just strip the word "logo" and keep 
going :-)

Thanks John.

Cheers
Jean-Michel

PS: I initially started this reply as a long discussion on the pros (and 
cons) of one letter logos — the most famous being McDonalds’ M — which for 
memory doesn’t (or didn’t) represent an M but two (initially overlapping) 
arches of their first (high tech) franchise. I stripped it because that 
would have ended up as a long (and possibly boring) dissertation. In 
essence none of the pros really apply to software products in general, and 
Pandoc in particular. Happy to drill this down if needed.

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2015-08-16  1:44 Yuki Fujiwara
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2015-08-16  5:39   ` Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
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2015-08-16 14:15       ` John MacFarlane
2015-08-22 21:59       ` Yuki Fujiwara
2015-08-16 17:56   ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
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2015-08-16 18:01       ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
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2015-08-16 18:41           ` Daniel Staal
2015-08-16 19:03             ` Nick Moffitt
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2015-08-16 19:33                 ` Stefan Björk
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2015-08-19 11:00                     ` BP Jonsson
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2015-08-19 15:05                         ` Paulo Ney de Souza
2015-08-19 21:30                     ` John Muccigrosso
2017-01-07 20:12                     ` Steve
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2017-01-07 21:06                         ` Kolen Cheung
2015-08-17 19:10                 ` Marc Chantreux
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2015-08-22  0:01                     ` Luis Rivera
2015-08-22 22:25   ` Yuki Fujiwara
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2015-08-24 10:47       ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
2015-10-31 19:45   ` Albert Krewinkel
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2015-11-01 19:40       ` John MacFarlane
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2015-11-01 20:38           ` Nick Moffitt
2015-11-01 22:17           ` Albert Krewinkel
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2016-12-08 10:56               ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 12:31                   ` Joost Kremers
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2016-12-08 12:56                       ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 13:29                           ` BP Jonsson
2016-12-08 12:58                       ` John MacFarlane
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2016-12-08 14:23                           ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-08 14:55                               ` John Gabriele
2016-12-08 15:05                               ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-08 19:40                                   ` John MacFarlane
2016-12-08 23:02                                   ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09  2:26                                       ` Luis Rivera
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2016-12-09  4:14                                           ` John Muccigrosso
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2016-12-09  6:12                                               ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 10:36                                                   ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 10:37                                                       ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-09 10:38                                                           ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-09 17:41                                                   ` daniel
2016-12-09  5:53                                           ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-09 10:54                                           ` John MacFarlane
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2016-12-09 18:43                                               ` Sergio Correia
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2016-12-13 17:55                                                   ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-13 19:58                                                       ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-13 20:12                                                           ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-13 21:18                                                               ` Alexis BRENON
2016-12-13 21:44                                                               ` Joseph Reagle
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2016-12-14 16:14                                                                   ` Melroch
2016-12-13 23:29                                                               ` Albert Krewinkel
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2016-12-14  0:14                                                                   ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-14 16:45                                                                       ` Melroch
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2016-12-15  0:40                                                                           ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-15 23:55                                                                               ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-16 15:39                                                                                   ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-16 21:01                                                                                       ` John MacFarlane
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2016-12-16 22:02                                                                                           ` BP Jonsson
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2016-12-16 22:38                                                                                               ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-14 16:15                                                                   ` Melroch
2016-12-15 16:18                                                           ` John Muccigrosso
2016-12-09 19:28                                               ` Pablo Rodríguez
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2016-12-09 19:57                                                   ` Joseph Reagle
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2016-12-09 20:12                                                       ` Pablo Rodríguez
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2016-12-10  2:22                                                           ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-10  2:46                                                               ` Kolen Cheung
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2016-12-10  9:40                                                                   ` Alexis BRENON
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2016-12-10 10:04                                                                       ` Joost Kremers
2016-12-10 18:17                                                                       ` John Muccigrosso
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2016-12-13 14:39                                                                           ` Nick Moffitt
2016-12-09  2:08                           ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-20 18:14                           ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]                             ` <87oa06o4cn.fsf-NJ6QtbQ9hATDZamjJ9D3v6C1jgCzLlUE@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-20 18:50                               ` Albert Krewinkel
2018-11-08  2:19                           ` JM Marcastel
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2018-12-12 16:29                               ` 藤原由来
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2019-12-04  3:29                                   ` allefeld
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2019-12-04  4:41                                       ` Kolen Cheung
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2019-12-04  8:58                                           ` Philip Hodder
2019-12-04 16:58                                           ` John MacFarlane
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2019-12-04 19:44                                               ` allefeld
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2019-12-04 19:54                                                   ` allefeld
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2019-12-05  3:30                                                       ` Kolen Cheung
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2019-12-05 19:14                                                           ` allefeld
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2019-12-06 19:42                                                               ` John Gabriele
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2019-12-06 21:16                                                                   ` allefeld
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2019-12-07 20:28                                                                       ` Benct Philip Jonsson
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2019-12-08  1:23                                                                           ` allefeld
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2019-12-07 20:32                                                             ` Benct Philip Jonsson
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2019-12-08  0:00                                                                 ` Kolen Cheung
2019-12-09 19:58                                                                 ` John MacFarlane
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2019-12-10  0:04                                                                     ` BPJ
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2019-12-10 23:55                                                                         ` allefeld
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2019-12-11  9:15                                                                             ` Philip Hodder
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2019-12-11  9:33                                                                                 ` Alexis BRENON
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2019-12-11 18:47                                                                                     ` Corentin Dupont
2019-12-11 19:40                                                                                       ` allefeld
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2019-12-11 19:57                                                                                           ` John Gabriele
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2019-12-11 20:59                                                                                               ` thoger.emil
2019-12-11 20:36                                                                                           ` Daniel Staal
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2019-12-11 22:02                                                                                               ` John MacFarlane
2019-12-11 22:14                                                                                               ` allefeld
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2019-12-11 22:19                                                                                                   ` allefeld
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2019-12-12  7:12                                                                                                       ` Alexis BRENON
2019-12-04  9:01                                       ` Philip Hodder
2019-12-04 20:53                                       ` Joseph Reagle
2019-12-04 21:37                                       ` Albert Krewinkel
2016-12-11 13:36                   ` Yuki Fujiwara
2015-11-01 22:16       ` kurt.pfeifle-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg
2016-12-10  2:14   ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-10 18:50   ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
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2016-12-10 19:21       ` daniel
2016-12-10 19:55   ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
     [not found]     ` <5fc2c9e6-efd8-4a8a-b88f-aaf873fe6532-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-10 21:55       ` Alexis BRENON
     [not found]         ` <CAJPB9o0MsxxCUBzXJWLU_yf1ja9-V3tNbTfgcyYBbOJRf4BE_w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-10 23:36           ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
     [not found]             ` <a6694b99-799e-4cae-bde7-c2f184d58f66-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-11  0:27               ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                 ` <fcb79633-81cf-4d08-87ce-1b7f252ce644-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-11 12:48                   ` 'Insane' via pandoc-discuss
2016-12-11  4:13       ` John Muccigrosso
2016-12-12 14:37   ` Alexis BRENON
2016-12-12 15:45   ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]     ` <fe4ad20e-583b-40da-b98e-62e6f09b82e0-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-13 13:03       ` Thøger Emil Rivera-Thorsen
2016-12-24  9:25   ` Scott Koga-Browes
     [not found]     ` <cece377d-69ca-4470-a937-6b5bc0c99711-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 10:19       ` BP Jonsson
     [not found]         ` <CAFC_yuRsHjxH8os4Dof-StpMyaPihUYNrz_JX-8LWO1jbxQoMg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 11:37           ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]             ` <CAFC_yuQFd99YRtvNPXgwMJiJ3=YSVfMZ6zRw1Sb7_ZXyhczzsg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]               ` <CAFC_yuQFd99YRtvNPXgwMJiJ3=YSVfMZ6zRw1Sb7_ZXyhczzsg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 13:37                 ` BP Jonsson
2016-12-24  9:32   ` Scott Koga-Browes
     [not found]     ` <ec79156b-4ac1-45ae-8cf5-34cef66517fb-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24  9:41       ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-24 18:51   ` John Muccigrosso
2016-12-24 19:56   ` Tristano Ajmone
     [not found]     ` <19578491-59c9-4c3a-b32e-6930895c35e3-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 22:23       ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]         ` <c8c4dad6-71bd-478f-88ff-d73b81a6f6c1-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-24 23:22           ` Thøger Emil Rivera-Thorsen
     [not found]             ` <a73d8dd4-12a6-ae18-a197-42a36e658d2e-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-25  1:43               ` Kolen Cheung
2016-12-25 11:21           ` Tristano Ajmone
2016-12-25 13:04   ` Tristano Ajmone
     [not found]     ` <b4138da6-e959-46f2-a55d-11e204f4539c-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19  6:03       ` 藤原由来
2017-01-19  8:03         ` Albert Krewinkel
     [not found]           ` <87d1fjbhng.fsf-NJ6QtbQ9hATDZamjJ9D3v6C1jgCzLlUE@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19  8:47             ` Sergio Correia
     [not found]               ` <dea3f868-3f9c-496e-8d20-5471582f88cb-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19 11:00                 ` BP Jonsson
2017-01-19 11:22                 ` BP Jonsson
2017-01-19 17:09                 ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-19 19:09                 ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                   ` <8f9805be-9ec0-4808-8e82-efecf8f0b813-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-19 22:14                     ` Sergio Correia
     [not found]                       ` <144500db-fdc8-44fe-99b9-6dab9f85b41a-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20  3:08                         ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-20  8:44                     ` Alexis BRENON
2017-01-07 21:01   ` Kolen Cheung
2017-01-20  4:34   ` John Muccigrosso
     [not found]     ` <dc5a7597-7de8-40ac-a141-7bf686553aea-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20  9:25       ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]         ` <20170120092508.GA39152-BKjuZOBx5Kn2N3qrpRCZGbhGAdq7xJNKhPhL2mjWHbk@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 14:39           ` John Muccigrosso
2017-01-20 16:20           ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]             ` <e10afef3-a299-4cd4-8085-e63e4a8e4364-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 19:07               ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                 ` <20170120190726.GC97424-l/d5Ua9yGnxXsXJlQylH7w@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 19:29                   ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                     ` <8cffaac9-e0a6-40da-979c-51393152f1d5-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 19:32                       ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                         ` <0cf3032f-cd44-4089-9644-4d2dfa0cd128-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 19:44                           ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                             ` <e65447b5-a22a-4d8b-91ed-7378fc9d0eff-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 20:52                               ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                                 ` <b7b518b7-bbc9-4361-b342-36fbebd2b9df-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-20 20:55                                   ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                                     ` <d89d816f-fe4e-425c-a266-94918f487769-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-01-23  9:35                                       ` Alexis BRENON
     [not found]                                         ` <2f91ff31-2f12-4ae8-b9ab-81f521b781b6-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-25 19:11                                           ` Agustín Martín
2017-08-11 14:25   ` Søren ONeill
     [not found]     ` <93375854-9e81-4134-bba2-f37990794101-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 23:15       ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]         ` <0743792e-004f-46e6-a0c3-bed24954f39e-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24  8:56           ` 藤原由来
2017-12-11  8:14   ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]     ` <d38d22c6-37d3-4542-9243-764595c16872-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-12  5:08       ` Kolen Cheung
2017-12-12  2:05   ` iandol
     [not found]     ` <e22aa1a5-4789-40e6-9642-8f360fa85313-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-12  4:07       ` iandol
     [not found]         ` <543c6efb-4c53-4c8b-85c2-3841b41d661a-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-12 21:13           ` BP Jonsson
2019-12-12  9:37   ` Philip Hodder
     [not found]     ` <6053da55-d54b-4b95-929c-627f570d8a64-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-12 20:42       ` allefeld
     [not found]         ` <2d5093b0-826f-491c-b811-b1c661b2f33d-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-14  3:22           ` allefeld
     [not found]             ` <4b36b471-b2f8-43ee-9cca-2803e419f1c3-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-14  3:23               ` allefeld
2019-12-17  5:14               ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                 ` <m2sgljpm8m.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-17 19:09                   ` John Gabriele
     [not found]                     ` <1c03c094-1bc0-4df1-80ee-aa0680ed19aa-jFIJ+Wc5/Vo7lZ9V/NTDHw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-17 23:50                       ` allefeld
     [not found]                         ` <0501a360-19e0-428e-ae55-99844da47261-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-18  4:25                           ` John Gabriele
2019-12-18  9:07                           ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                             ` <61f892ef-39e4-49d2-90ed-9bde0f86d7dd-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-19 23:01                               ` allefeld
     [not found]                                 ` <99cadc8c-ccf3-4c84-8569-cecb67ae65f7-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-22 21:17                                   ` allefeld
     [not found]                                     ` <e7cb59b7-00c5-401e-954f-4f010a7ea360-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-25 22:34                                       ` John Muccigrosso
     [not found]                                         ` <6cb78b3f-0475-4d8e-826a-f3a8a751e6a2-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-25 23:38                                           ` John Gabriele
2019-12-14 16:18   ` mb21
     [not found]     ` <3564f44f-a07b-479d-8746-65e4bd254808-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2019-12-16 14:20       ` Agustín Martín
2019-12-16 15:52       ` John Gabriele
2020-01-02 10:19   ` mb21
     [not found]     ` <afa46a2c-3db0-46e4-8b4c-21acce284234-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-02 18:48       ` allefeld
     [not found]         ` <c3dcb843-c8c9-4ea1-8dcc-7cd742f8f746-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-02 19:49           ` John Gabriele
2020-01-03 12:02           ` T. Emil Rivera-Thorsen
2020-01-03 18:15             ` BPJ
     [not found]               ` <CADAJKhA4Uk4SZf0uTd1FzJ1+3DuwHJSkrf4yPZXdOkAHUynfBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-05  3:41                 ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                   ` <aeaf4d4e-c5f2-43fc-90f6-bb991b51edc9-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-06  5:40                     ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                       ` <m2pnfxta53.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-09 17:51                         ` allefeld
     [not found]                           ` <921cd6a2-2d51-4c82-bf29-97627318519f-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-14 20:46                             ` BPJ
     [not found]                               ` <CADAJKhARUsq4GnQAuykH4tXjHAaRe=YB2EKEwnshJZ9496K-9Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-15  8:18                                 ` Alexis BRENON
     [not found]                                   ` <CAJPB9o0-2RT=Kd733Xj2vqDTgGoozqX+7V_SCd=LD=6EbuGChg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-15 15:41                                     ` BPJ
     [not found]                                       ` <CADAJKhAnKavwk3CkT77h5Z4jQJetmko-pjR-xhh-DQ+6Ci_sRA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-15 20:38                                         ` allefeld
     [not found]                                           ` <2a2bb039-4d03-474e-922f-b026b5cf7de2-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-16  2:01                                             ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                                               ` <1f155e18-8fdd-4bbf-acf8-5ad5f6fce47d-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-16 12:47                                                 ` JM Marcastel
     [not found]                                                   ` <58f2389d-dabd-46c3-93e9-e6f10468c4ea-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-16 21:13                                                     ` BPJ
2020-01-16 21:00                                                 ` BPJ
2020-01-17  2:22                                                   ` John Gabriele
2020-01-17  2:38                                                     ` John Gabriele
2020-01-18 23:52                                     ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]                                       ` <m24kwsxqxy.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-19  8:08                                         ` 藤原由来
     [not found]                                           ` <CAA4xQMmj9pc3RKC473_Hq_+gSA6DJNkQS2z++OUE6Sp4L6Bv5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-20 12:58                                             ` Alexis BRENON
2020-01-21 22:05                                         ` Kolen Cheung
     [not found]                                           ` <6af5e7cd-39a3-43c8-ae25-db4972b72b6a-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-22 17:15                                             ` allefeld
     [not found]                                               ` <ebcb7508-7ecc-444b-9e6e-c10d76922753-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-23 20:55                                                 ` EBkysko
     [not found]                                                   ` <7d507651-5a17-4546-b867-7da0a6db5d54-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-23 21:07                                                     ` EBkysko
     [not found]                                                       ` <0abb8b3c-363c-41bd-9430-b9b6cc085d06-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-01-27  8:30                                                         ` Alexis BRENON
2020-03-07  9:45       ` Albert Krewinkel
2020-01-16 13:16   ` John Muccigrosso
2020-01-22  9:42   ` JM Marcastel [this message]
2020-02-01 10:02   ` mb21
     [not found]     ` <b3c94952-a9ae-4ba5-83ec-38f522e0ac06-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-02-01 10:10       ` mb21
2020-03-08 17:54   ` Vineet Kapil
     [not found]     ` <CAEyhvmqBH8yMXg7_Yq+hzOZC-esM5nuQVAEZzjTAHSdonZSX8Q@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <CAFz9o2rzDn3YFEWaUdyjFzcp4BGnDyPxTjuDH1pdyAeemdqxWg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CAFz9o2rzDn3YFEWaUdyjFzcp4BGnDyPxTjuDH1pdyAeemdqxWg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-03-09 16:12           ` Corentin Dupont
     [not found]     ` <7bda92b9-79ab-4d90-bee6-bf4a459b5c86-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2020-03-09 16:51       ` John MacFarlane
     [not found]         ` <yh480klfo9cvzy.fsf-pgq/RBwaQ+zq8tPRBa0AtqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-22  3:20           ` Bin Han
     [not found]             ` <dedcd25f-28aa-4b44-b362-f4111bfb751fo-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2021-05-15 16:42               ` M. Rehnert
     [not found]                 ` <39e85238-4c5c-4652-bdda-b04102568f01n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2021-05-21 18:51                   ` mb21
     [not found]                     ` <9df1384b-3009-4f28-a774-e6f1ee960911n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
2021-12-17  1:30                       ` christi...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
2020-03-12  8:50   ` Ross Woods

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