Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?

Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?

[John Carter Wood]

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Hello,

I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown 
successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using 
a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references 
(footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted 
into full references: they remain in the key format 
"@authorname_titleword_year". 

(The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) 

Here is a sample markdown text. 

[image: Markdown_citation.jpg]



Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All 
references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)

[image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]



However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc 
2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does 
not convert. 

[image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]


When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have 
this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them 
all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in 
my field (history). 

Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different 
versions?

I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten 
something. 


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Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?

[John MacFarlane]

I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version.
However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation
group need to be separated by semicolons.

So [@item1; see also @item2].

That has been the documented behavior since the beginning.

John Carter Wood <johannes.c.holz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown 
> successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, using 
> a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references 
> (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not converted 
> into full references: they remain in the key format 
> "@authorname_titleword_year". 
>
> (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) 
>
> Here is a sample markdown text. 
>
> [image: Markdown_citation.jpg]
>
>
>
> Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 All 
> references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.)
>
> [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
>
> However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running pandoc 
> 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three does 
> not convert. 
>
> [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg]
>
>
> When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that have 
> this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change them 
> all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal in 
> my field (history). 
>
> Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different 
> versions?
>
> I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've forgotten 
> something. 
>
>
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Re: Citation problems, pandoc-citeproc?

[John Carter Wood]

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Many thanks for your reply. I have looked back through the documentation 
and found the relevant section, which I seem to have overlooked.

I was convinced it had once been different, but as you say, looking back I 
see that it wasn't. Sorry, my error. 

I have done some experimentation, and it seems that within a *footnote* 
(so, using ^[text]), adding a period between references is not a problem. I 
*think* that when I was first learning to use pandoc/markdown (about two 
years ago), I ran into the problem that citations within footnotes weren't 
cooperating very well with those simply in brackets with regard to 
recognising where "ibid" would be appropriate. At least I recall such 
problems. 

As a result I had -- through whatever method -- discovered the method that 
I described above and stuck with it. Now that I'm updating my setup to a 
new machine I discovered that it didn't work any more. 

Although it is curious that was working for me for a while. 

So: using the explicit footnote format would be the right way to add 
multiple references in sentences (so separated by periods) in a note? This 
is common in the humanities. 

I suppose the best advice is "read the manual". :-)

Thanks again for your help! Much appreciated.  


On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 6:57:25 PM UTC+1, John MacFarlane wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure why it would have worked with an earlier version. 
> However, the documentation specifies that citations in a citation 
> group need to be separated by semicolons. 
>
> So [@item1; see also @item2]. 
>
> That has been the documented behavior since the beginning. 
>
> John Carter Wood <johann...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> writes: 
>
> > Hello, 
> > 
> > I've been using a Pandoc setup combined with Zotero and markdown 
> > successfully for a couple of years. But new versions of this set-up, 
> using 
> > a later version of Pandoc, have been having problems: in references 
> > (footnotes) that use periods, subsequent reference keys are not 
> converted 
> > into full references: they remain in the key format 
> > "@authorname_titleword_year". 
> > 
> > (The formatting of the quotation marks is correct: I'm in Germany.) 
> > 
> > Here is a sample markdown text. 
> > 
> > [image: Markdown_citation.jpg] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Using this text works fine using pandoc 1.19.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.10.4 
> All 
> > references are converted. (The issue comes up in footnote 3.) 
> > 
> > [image: earlier_pandoc_version.jpg] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > However, using the *exact same* markdown text and .bib file, running 
> pandoc 
> > 2.2.1/pandoc-citeproc 0.14.3.1, the second citation in footnote three 
> does 
> > not convert. 
> > 
> > [image: later_pandoc_version.jpg] 
> > 
> > 
> > When I remove the period, it works. But I have several documents that 
> have 
> > this kind of citation, and I don't want to have to go back and change 
> them 
> > all. Moreover, this kind of extensive footnote with citations is normal 
> in 
> > my field (history). 
> > 
> > Am I doing something wrong? or has something changed with different 
> > versions? 
> > 
> > I appreciate any help. And I'm happy to provide any info if I've 
> forgotten 
> > something. 
> > 
> > 
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> Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. 
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> an email to pandoc-...-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org <javascript:>. 
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