* MMD to PDF with chicago/turabian styled bibliography @ 2020-09-07 4:28 Matt Gass [not found] ` <571d8037-a829-4216-aac8-6fab02b386c9n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Matt Gass @ 2020-09-07 4:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1255 bytes --] I'm having difficulty using pandoc with the latex package turabian-formatting <https://www.ctan.org/pkg/turabian-formatting> thesis, but some conflict between the pandoc latex template, `pandoc-citeproc`, and/or the latex package is clobbering the bibliography: 1. If I use citeproc, the bibliography is inserted at the end of the main body where the paragraph formatting is not correct for a bibliography. 2. If I use biblatex and `\printbibliography` command rather than citeproc, the bibliography never appears. 3. I've also tried to merge the default pandoc latex template with the turabian-formatting template, but citeproc seems determined to place the bibliography at the end of `\mainmatter`. What is the recommended workflow for creating correctly formatted bibliographies in PDF documents using pandoc? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/571d8037-a829-4216-aac8-6fab02b386c9n%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1571 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: MMD to PDF with chicago/turabian styled bibliography [not found] ` <571d8037-a829-4216-aac8-6fab02b386c9n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> @ 2020-09-07 12:48 ` Denis Maier [not found] ` <e88ddd38-589f-a806-45cd-b0231e00d9bb-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2020-09-07 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2686 bytes --] Hi, Am 07.09.2020 um 06:28 schrieb Matt Gass: > I'm having difficulty using pandoc with the latex package > turabian-formatting > <https://www.ctan.org/pkg/turabian-formatting> thesis, but some > conflict between the pandoc latex template, `pandoc-citeproc`, and/or > the latex package is clobbering the bibliography: Giving advice is difficult without knowing more details... E.g. how are you loading the turabian-formatting package? > If I use citeproc, the bibliography is inserted at the end of the main > body where the paragraph formatting is not correct for a bibliography. Yeah, that's the way the bibliography is inserted at the moment. You can adjust the formatting if you redefine the cslreferences environment. The default is: ```\newlength{\cslhangindent} \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em} \newenvironment{cslreferences}% {$if(csl-hanging-indent)$\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces$endif$}% {\par} ``` So, maybe that may be an easy solution if paragraph formatting is the only problem. I don't know this particular package. But maybe you could just add a `\backmatter` commmand somewhere at the end of you paper? > If I use biblatex and `\printbibliography` command rather than > citeproc, the bibliography never appears. You are using the the `--biblatex` option? If so, the documentation says this: > Use biblatex for citations in LaTeX output. This option is not for use with the pandoc-citeproc filter or with PDF output. It is intended for use in producing a LaTeX file that can be processed with bibtex or biber. So, you can't go directly to PDF, but you'll need to produce a tex-file first. Then you can do pdflatex, biber, pdflatex as usual. > I've also tried to merge the default pandoc latex template with the > turabian-formatting template, but citeproc seems determined to place > the bibliography at the end of `\mainmatter`. Yes, that's how it is currently. You can use this syntax to move your bibliography to some other place: ``` ::: {#refs} ::: ``` But I think it will always end up in the body. @JohnMacFarlane: Will your new-pandoc-citeproc library change that? Best, Denis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/e88ddd38-589f-a806-45cd-b0231e00d9bb%40mailbox.org. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4268 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: MMD to PDF with chicago/turabian styled bibliography [not found] ` <e88ddd38-589f-a806-45cd-b0231e00d9bb-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> @ 2020-09-08 2:00 ` Matt Gass [not found] ` <b37916e0-f90f-4c8e-abd9-2fc51d62b992n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Matt Gass @ 2020-09-08 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3720 bytes --] Thanks, Denis for your reply. <how are you loading the turabian-formatting package? I tried setting the documentclass with the `--variable` option like so: ```pandoc --variable documentclass="turabian-researchpaper" --pdf-engine=xelatex --bibliography "Bibliography.bib" --csl "chicago-note-bibliography-with-ibid.csl" --filter pandoc-citeproc Big_Idea.md -f markdown_mmd+citations -o out.pdf ``` In order to customize the bibliography formating, I started customizing the default latex template. I modified the cslreferences environment as you suggested: ```\newlength{\cslhangindent} \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em} \newenvironment{cslreferences}% \singlespacing {\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% \setlength{\parskip}{1em}% \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces}% {\par} ``` But this makes the space between entries single not double. Is \parskip not the command to use for this? On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 8:48:14 AM UTC-4 Denis Maier wrote: > Hi, > > > Am 07.09.2020 um 06:28 schrieb Matt Gass: > > I'm having difficulty using pandoc with the latex package > turabian-formatting <https://www.ctan.org/pkg/turabian-formatting> thesis, > but some conflict between the pandoc latex template, `pandoc-citeproc`, > and/or the latex package is clobbering the bibliography: > > > Giving advice is difficult without knowing more details... E.g. how are > you loading the turabian-formatting package? > > > If I use citeproc, the bibliography is inserted at the end of the main > body where the paragraph formatting is not correct for a bibliography. > > Yeah, that's the way the bibliography is inserted at the moment. You can > adjust the formatting if you redefine the cslreferences environment. The > default is: > > ```\newlength{\cslhangindent} > \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em} > \newenvironment{cslreferences}% > {$if(csl-hanging-indent)$\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% > \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces$endif$}% > {\par} > ``` > > So, maybe that may be an easy solution if paragraph formatting is the only > problem. > > I don't know this particular package. But maybe you could just add a > `\backmatter` commmand somewhere at the end of you paper? > > > > If I use biblatex and `\printbibliography` command rather than citeproc, > the bibliography never appears. > > > You are using the the `--biblatex` option? If so, the documentation says > this: > > > Use biblatex for citations in LaTeX output. This option is not for use > with the pandoc-citeproc filter or with PDF output. It is intended for use > in producing a LaTeX file that can be processed with bibtex or biber. > > So, you can't go directly to PDF, but you'll need to produce a tex-file > first. Then you can do pdflatex, biber, pdflatex as usual. > > > > I've also tried to merge the default pandoc latex template with the > turabian-formatting template, but citeproc seems determined to place the > bibliography at the end of `\mainmatter`. > > > Yes, that's how it is currently. You can use this syntax to move your > bibliography to some other place: > > ``` > ::: {#refs} > ::: > ``` > But I think it will always end up in the body. > > @JohnMacFarlane: Will your new-pandoc-citeproc library change that? > > Best, > Denis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/b37916e0-f90f-4c8e-abd9-2fc51d62b992n%40googlegroups.com. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 5497 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: MMD to PDF with chicago/turabian styled bibliography [not found] ` <b37916e0-f90f-4c8e-abd9-2fc51d62b992n-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org> @ 2020-09-08 9:26 ` Denis Maier [not found] ` <0fbbe2cd-3637-0d17-e2dc-9f0215be900a-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2020-09-08 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw Hi Matt, Am 08.09.2020 um 04:00 schrieb Matt Gass: > I modified the cslreferences environment as you suggested: > > ```\newlength{\cslhangindent} > \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em} > \newenvironment{cslreferences}% > \singlespacing > {\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% > \setlength{\parskip}{1em}% > \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces}% > {\par} > ``` > But this makes the space between entries single not double. Is > \parskip not the command to use for this? `\parskip` modifies the spacing between paragraph. Maybe you should use `\doublespacing` instead of `\singlespacing`. Best, Denis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0fbbe2cd-3637-0d17-e2dc-9f0215be900a%40mailbox.org. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: MMD to PDF with chicago/turabian styled bibliography [not found] ` <0fbbe2cd-3637-0d17-e2dc-9f0215be900a-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org> @ 2020-09-08 13:45 ` Matt Gass 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Matt Gass @ 2020-09-08 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2270 bytes --] The Chicago style spec calls for single spacing within each bib entry and double spacing between entries (i.e., a blank line between each item). \doublespacing produces blank lines within the bib entry. \singlespacing removes the blank line between entries. Neither is correct. I do appreciate the help. And I think pandoc is brilliant. Unfortunately, in this case it isn’t doing what I hoped it would—rescue me from diving into Latex syntax. I think I’ll revert to bypassing Latex with MS Word. Thanks again. Matt On Sep 8, 2020, 5:26 AM -0400, Denis Maier <denis.maier.lists-cl+VPiYnx/1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>, wrote: > Hi Matt, > Am 08.09.2020 um 04:00 schrieb Matt Gass: > > > I modified the cslreferences environment as you suggested: > > > > ```\newlength{\cslhangindent} > > \setlength{\cslhangindent}{1.5em} > > \newenvironment{cslreferences}% > > \singlespacing > > {\setlength{\parindent}{0pt}% > > \setlength{\parskip}{1em}% > > \everypar{\setlength{\hangindent}{\cslhangindent}}\ignorespaces}% > > {\par} > > ``` > > But this makes the space between entries single not double. Is > > \parskip not the command to use for this? > `\parskip` modifies the spacing between paragraph. > Maybe you should use `\doublespacing` instead of `\singlespacing`. > > Best, > Denis > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/pandoc-discuss/fRT1PbynfrQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/0fbbe2cd-3637-0d17-e2dc-9f0215be900a%40mailbox.org. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pandoc-discuss" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to pandoc-discuss+unsubscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0@public.gmane.org To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pandoc-discuss/50c30e29-1d47-4949-9915-f0b14624c66d%40Spark. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3157 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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