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Pan-Flute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_flute I've found this CC-BY 3.0 icon of a Pan flute: http://icon-icons.com/icon/pan-flute-musical-instrument/60110 It's not the nicest I've seen, but it renders the idea. The Pan-flute should be easily reckognized as a symbol of Pan, yet it=20 doens't necessary carry the weight mythology =E2=80=94 it can be seen as ju= st a=20 musical instrument. This symbol would recall the word "PAN" in pandoc, but not really much=20 more. I'm not sure what Pan's (the god) flute was used for, but I gather he= =20 is usually considered a shepperd-god. Tying-In With Existing Symbols/Vocabulary The issue already came up here: it's good the explore the pre-existing=20 symbols in the (rather wide) field of documents (under which pandoc falls). For example: JFC's *Babelmark*. Both its name and logo recall the tower of= =20 Babel, a symbol which is well associated with the "confusion of languages". While in its context it refers to the confusion among markdown=20 dialects/flavors, it could be taken as a general metaphor for the=20 "confusion of standards" which pandoc aims to solve. https://babelmark.github.io/ The logo is simple, and knowing the name of the tool (Babelmark) the mental= =20 association is quick (not so immediate if you are unaware of the tool's=20 name): Magician Hat Inflated as it might be, the magician's cylinder producing rabbits, card,= =20 or anything else, is a well know symbol representing quasi-magick=20 productions. Maybe pandoc is a bit like the magician hat: it produces all sort of=20 documents, almost auto-magically.=20 The idea is to have some documents coming out of the hat =E2=80=94 in a way= to=20 represent multi-formats. This is an example idea found on Google (can't actually use this): Just take the rabbit ears away, and put document icons, and maybe a magick= =20 wand. I've found some nice example icons with permissive license: http://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/magic-hat_108979 http://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/magician-hat-and-magic-wand_53768 http://www.iconarchive.com/show/outline-icons-by-iconsmind/Hat-icon.html Adopting an Aminal Another approach would be to arbitrarily adopt an animal as mascotte/symbol= =20 of pandoc. There is a long tradition in the computer world along these lines =E2=80=94= snakes,=20 gnus, squids, etc =E2=80=94 so much so that almost every animal is already= =20 associated to a programming language or package of some sort. Surely, no one could really dispute this decision any more than one could= =20 dispute the right of Python language to use a python as its symbol, or Go= =20 lang using a gopher. People like animals, no doubt about it =E2=80=94 and Python's snake hasn't = so far=20 scared off (nor bitten) anyone that I'm aware of. Of course, we should at least consider an animal that has some=20 characteristics somehow related to pandoc's functionality. I can't think of any animal whose specialization is converting from=20 markdown to html or PDF though. :-( But we might be looking for an animal with sort of intermediary role in=20 nature, like an animal who is known for his symbiotic interactions with=20 other species. Or like bees, which take pollen and covert it to honey; and they are also= =20 very industrious, and resemble a swiss-knife when you look at their=20 "embedded tools" for collecting pollen. Links to Images Here are some links to Google images (black and white) results: - translation icon=20 - pan flute icon=20 I hope that these ideas might trigger some further thoughts... Tristano --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= pandoc-discuss" group. 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Just doing a bit of IDEAS BRAINSTORMING here ... maybe it = could trigger some better ideas.

Pan-Fl= ute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_flute=

I've found this CC-BY 3.0 icon of a Pan f= lute:

http://icon-icons.com/icon/pan-flute-musical= -instrument/60110


It's not the ni= cest I've seen, but it renders the idea.


The Pan-flute should be easily reckogni= zed as a symbol of Pan, yet it doens't necessary carry the weight mytho= logy =E2=80=94 it can be seen as just a musical instrument.

This symbol would recal= l the word "PAN" in pandoc, but not really much more. I'm not= sure what Pan's (the god) flute was used for, but I gather he is usual= ly considered a shepperd-god.


Tying-In With Existing Symbols/Vocabula= ry


The issue already came up here: it's g= ood the explore the pre-existing symbols in the (rather wide) field of docu= ments (under which pandoc falls).

For example: JFC= 's Babelmark. Both its name and logo recall the tower of Babel, = a symbol which is well associated with the "confusion of languages&quo= t;.
While in its context it refers to the confusion among markdow= n dialects/flavors, it could be taken as a general metaphor for the "c= onfusion of standards" which pandoc aims to solve.

https://babelmark.github.io/

The logo is= simple, and knowing the name of the tool (Babelmark) the mental associatio= n is quick (not so immediate if you are unaware of the tool's name):

Magician Hat

<= /div>
Inflated as it might be, the magician's cylinder producing ra= bbits, card, or anything else, is a well know symbol representing quasi-mag= ick productions.

Maybe pandoc is a bit like the ma= gician hat: it produces all sort of documents, almost auto-magically.=C2=A0=
The idea is to have some documents coming out of the hat =E2=80= =94 in a way to represent multi-formats.

This is a= n example idea found on Google (can't actually use this):



Just ta= ke the rabbit ears away, and put document icons, and maybe a magick wand.

I've found some nice example icons with permiss= ive license:

http://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/mag= ic-hat_108979
http://www.flaticon.com/free-icon/magician-hat-= and-magic-wand_53768
http://www.iconarchive.com/show/outline-= icons-by-iconsmind/Hat-icon.html

Adopting an Aminal

Another approach wou= ld be to arbitrarily adopt an animal as mascotte/symbol of pandoc.
There is a long tradition in the computer world along these lines =E2=80= =94 snakes, gnus, squids, etc =E2=80=94 so much so that almost every animal= is already associated to a programming language or package of some sort.

Surely, no one could really dispute this decision a= ny more than one could dispute the right of Python language to use a python= as its symbol, or Go lang using a gopher.

People = like animals, no doubt about it =E2=80=94 and Python's snake hasn't= so far scared off (nor bitten) anyone that I'm aware of.
Of course, we should at least consider an animal that has some = characteristics somehow related to pandoc's functionality.
I = can't think of any animal whose specialization is converting from markd= own to html or PDF though. :-(

But we might be loo= king for an animal with sort of intermediary role in nature, like an animal= who is known for his symbiotic interactions with other species.
=
Or like bees, which take pollen and covert it to honey; and = they are also very industrious, and resemble a swiss-knife when you look at= their "embedded tools" for collecting pollen.

Links to Images

Her= e are some links to Google images (black and white) results:

=
I hope that = these ideas might trigger some further thoughts...

Tristano

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