Re: Issues with Quotation Marks in Pandoc When Mixing Japanese and English Texts

[Shigeru Kobayashi <mayfair-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org>]

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Dear Bastien DUMONT,

Thank you very much for your reply. I tried as follows and got no changes. 
I'm sorry if I misunderstood your suggestion.

*preamble.tex:*
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Georgia}
\setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
\babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia}

*input.md:*
---
documentclass: bxjsarticle
classoption: pandoc
papersize: a4
---

[That person said, "Hello, world!"]{lang=en}

*shell:*
$ pandoc -V lang=ja input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=xelatex -V pandoc -H 
preamble.tex



On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:32:57 PM UTC+9 Bastien DUMONT wrote:

> An if you put the English parts in language spans as I said and add in 
> header-includes \babelfont[english]{rm}{Georgia}?
>
> Le Monday 10 April 2023 à 04:30:37PM, Shigeru Kobayashi a écrit :
> > Dear Bastien DUMONT and John MacFarlane,
> > 
> > Thank you very much for your reply.
> > 
> > Regarding issue 1, I will use Unicode curly quotes instead of strait 
> quotes to
> > avoid misinterpretation.
> > 
> > Regarding issue 2, I tried marking the English text as [That person said,
> > "Hello, world!"]{lang=en}, but the result was the same (i.e., quotes are
> > typeset with the Japanese font instead of the English font). I also tried
> > Unicode curly quotes.
> > 
> > I have confirmed that "pandoc input.md -t input.tex" generates a code as
> > expected as follows:
> > \foreignlanguage{english}{That person said, ``Hello, world!''}
> > 
> > Therefore, this is puzzling to me...
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Shigeru KOBAYASHI
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 2:34:40 AM UTC+9 John MacFarlane wrote:
> > 
> > I would recommend using unicode curly quotes in the markdown when you're
> > working in a language without interword spacing. We rely on interword
> > spacing for heuristics about smart quotes.
> > 
> > > On Apr 9, 2023, at 4:53 PM, Shigeru Kobayashi <may...-+k8b35VvZrR3+QwDJ9on6Q@public.gmane.org> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Pandoc community,
> > >
> > > I have encountered two issues regarding Pandoc's handling of quotation
> > marks in cases where Japanese and English texts are mixed.
> > >
> > > I am using Pandoc version 3.1.2 on macOS 12.6.3, and I can reproduce
> > these issues. If these are indeed bugs, I am planning to submit them as
> > issues on GitHub. However, I would appreciate any guidance if these 
> issues
> > arise from my incorrect usage.
> > >
> > > Issue 1: Conversion of English phrases within Japanese text
> > >
> > > I have observed the following issue. "input.md" is the input file, and
> > "input.tex" is the output file.
> > >
> > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.tex
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > その人は"Hello, world!"と言いました。
> > >
> > > input.tex:
> > > その人は''Hello, world!{}``と言いました。
> > >
> > > However, the conversion is correct when spaces are added before and 
> after
> > the double quotation marks.
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> > >
> > > input.tex:
> > > その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> > >
> > >
> > > Issue 2: The quotation marks are treated as Japanese text
> > >
> > > When converting with Pandoc, the quotation marks are treated as 
> Japanese
> > text, resulting in an unnaturally wide gap. I have confirmed this using 
> two
> > files, "preamble.tex" and "input.md," and specifying as follows:
> > >
> > > $ pandoc input.md -o input.pdf --pdf-engine=xelatex -H preamble.tex.
> > >
> > > preamble.tex:
> > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > >
> > > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> > >
> > >
> > > input.md:
> > > ---
> > > documentclass: bxjsarticle
> > > classoption: pandoc
> > > papersize: a4
> > > fontsize: 10pt
> > > ---
> > >
> > > # はじめに
> > >
> > > その人は "Hello, world!" と言いました。
> > >
> > > That person said, "Hello, world!"
> > >
> > > <pandoc test 2023-04-10 8.47.43.png>
> > >
> > > In contrast, when I directly write the content in TeX and output it 
> using
> > $ xelatex test.tex, the quotation marks are treated as English text, and
> > the expected output is obtained.
> > >
> > > test.tex:
> > > \documentclass[a4paper,xelatex,ja=standard]{bxjsarticle}
> > >
> > > \usepackage{fontspec}
> > > \setmainfont{Georgia}
> > > \setjamainfont{BIZ UDMincho Medium}
> > >
> > > \title{テスト}
> > > \begin{document}
> > > \maketitle
> > >
> > > \section{はじめに}
> > >
> > > その人は ``Hello, world!'' と言いました。
> > >
> > > That person said, ``Hello, world!''
> > >
> > > \end{document}
> > >
> > > <xelatex test 2023-04-10 8.46.44.png>
> > >
> > > Shigeru Kobayashi
> > >
> > >
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