From: Denis Maier <maier.de-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: pandoc-discuss <pandoc-discuss-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Transliterated and original titles/names in citations
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2019 14:41:11 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
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Regarding 1. you can perhaps look into how Juris-M deals with language
variants:
https://juris-m.readthedocs.io/en/latest/dev-sync-simplification.html
Looks quite solid. Basically it looks like this:
field--language-variant
title--he-alalc97 => title, Hebrew, transliterated according to the Library
of Congress rules.
Best,
Denis
Am Samstag, 7. September 2019 12:05:48 UTC+2 schrieb BP:
>
> I just realized two things which make matters much worse:
>
> 1. Not all publications accept the same transliteration schemes. Just by
> surveying one author's references to his own works in one bibliography I
> find that his surname, Яблонский, can be transliterated in five different
> ways (although two predominate)! So I'll need both a `transliterated title`
> field and a field `transliterated authors` field with (in each item) a
> mapping of alternative transliterations. Even Icelandic needs to be
> transliterated sometimes, e.g. Þórður becoming Thórdur (with data loss!)
>
> 2. Sorting. Latin letters like _č, š, ž_ need to sort as _c, s, z_ and
> probably _Þ_ must sometimes sort like _Th_ and sometimes after _z_! This
> needs sometimes tailored locale dependent sorting! Accented letters can
> ideally be handled by entering things in NFC and hoping that sort
> algorithms ignore combining marks, but then e.g. in Scandinavian languages
> _ö_ sorts not as _o_ but at the end of the alphabet (ideally _þ, æ, ø, å,
> ä, ö_ go at the end of the alphabet in that order, but often _æ/ä, ø/ö_ are
> conflated either before or after _å_!). Anyway it seems CSL has no
> customizable sort key field. I know how to handle these things myself with
> [Unicode::Collate][] but that at least means some postprocessing of as yet
> unknown complexity.
>
> Den ons 4 sep. 2019 09:33BPJ <mel...-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <javascript:>> skrev:
>
>> Does anyone know how to handle transliterated titles and names in
>> citations, when you want to include both the transliteration and the
>> original? Does CSL have any fields for that?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> /bpj
>>
>
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2019-09-04 7:33 BPJ
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2019-09-04 8:53 ` Paulo Ney de Souza
2019-09-04 10:19 ` Denis Maier
2019-09-04 12:01 ` Joseph Reagle
2019-09-06 19:49 ` BPJ
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2019-09-06 21:02 ` John MacFarlane
2019-09-06 22:04 ` Denis Maier
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2019-09-07 8:59 ` BPJ
2019-09-06 23:18 ` Maria Shinoto
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2019-09-07 5:45 ` Denis Maier
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2019-09-08 0:10 ` Maria Shinoto
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2019-09-08 5:09 ` Denis Maier
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2019-09-08 9:40 ` Maria Shinoto
2019-09-07 10:05 ` BPJ
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2019-09-07 10:10 ` BPJ
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2019-09-08 6:37 ` 'Nick Bart' via pandoc-discuss
2019-09-07 21:41 ` Denis Maier [this message]
2019-09-08 0:18 ` Maria Shinoto
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